[Zope] Hiding HTML URL

[David H]

Florent Guillaume wrote:

>David H  <bluepaul at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>If I might disagree, keeping a stable URL is not, by itself,  
>>"user-defeating".  For example, user's do not like browser history 
>>clutter with subfolders and objects - all from the same application. 
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www.myApp.com/updateChartOfAccounts. Because that would be "out of

>>context".  Sure you can respond with an error message.  But why should 
>>they see it in the first place?
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>They shouldn't, the application should be written in such a way that
>this is a POST, and it won't appear in the history.
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POST conceals parameters not paths from history. And I only described a 
WAY to handle the problem.

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>>With a stable URL they just click www.myApp.com and they get the main 
>>page - every time.
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>That's what bookmarks are for. You're trying to force your ideas of
>bookmarking and history management to the users.
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I wish I could impose my ideas on users.   I respond to specs.  Yes, I 
will fight the good fight when a spec is silly. I've even turned down 
gigs because the client was stubborn and what they wanted would be a 
disaster. But URL "cloaking" is not silly to some clients and the 
pattern I described handles it nicely and has benefits well beyond 
maintaining a stable URL.
Note:  Sometimes I sense a "culture clash" between Advanced Zope 
developement guys, Web presentation guys and us lowly application 
developers that get the joy of accounting systems online.

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>>The question remains - is there an elegant solution to this.
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>What you call "stable URL" everybody else calls "cloaking" or "jailing".
>It *is* hostile to the user.
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Im curious, how is it "hostile" to a user? 

If there are superior patterns (for Business Apps) Im the first that 
wants to see them and this is  a welcome discussion. :-)

Thanks very much Florent,

David






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