[Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

[Jean-Marc Orliaguet]

Greg Fischer wrote:

> Yes, we need hype!  And a "hot" looking site, WITH Web 2.0 features. 
>
> Many of these frameworks are providing AJAX capabilities, simple 
> graphics and data/object access without page reloads.  (like I am 
> using with Dojo right now)  What does Zope not provide these features 
> "built-in"?
>
> And yes, about the central docs.  A ton of info is available right on 
> Zope.org <http://Zope.org>, but I always find more on individual blogs 
> or other google searches.  Zope.org <http://Zope.org> could use a more 
> intuitive help finder maybe.  Actually, how aboot a Zopedigg?  Diggs 
> on just Zope articles and such, with comments?  That would be hot!  
> Better and easier than a wiki, IMHO.  The one thing I would say is, 
> from my perspective, when I have info to share on Zope work I have 
> done, I like to post on my blog or site, not Zope's. Because I like to 
> provide a demo or maybe include things *my* way.  Having a ZopeDigg 
> would allow us to post our work in a central repository, and look a 
> little flashy too.
>
> The video tutorial should be made.  Like RoR and Symfony-project 
> have.  It shows beginners how easy something is to do.  And they will 
> download it.  I did. 
>
> Also, I know this will get some people flaming probably, but Zope 
> needs more hype for DTML. I KNOW!  99% of you hate it.  But every time 
> I show someone how to do it, their eyes light up.  It's very simple 
> coming from ASP or PHP, once you see it in action.  ZPT is just plain 
> confusing to me.  I hate to say this too, but I am doing much more in 
> PHP these days, partly due to the fact that there exists a large "dtml 
> sucks" attitude in the community.  And even though it has been said 
> that DTML is not going away, if there is no hype about it, then it 
> might.  And I don't want to keep using Zope without it. Yes, yes, I 
> know DTML has many disadvantages, but it also has many advantages.  I 
> wish there were more hype about it. 
>
> So, here's a big "wish" of mine too.  What if Zope was a *complete* 
> framework, including a web based IDE?  I dont mean the ZMI, which is 
> hot in itself, but a full featured AJAX-ish IDE, built upon Zope. Drag 
> and drop widgets and properties even. It would also have full database 
> access built in. Mysql, Mssql, Oracle, Postgresql, all ready to go, 
> without needing to purchase and configure a database adapter.  This 
> would provide a web based, development framework like .NET using 
> Visual Studio.  Only this would work on Zope, and therefore would run 
> on Linux OR Windows!  It doesnt have to be so comprehensive like VS, 
> but simple form editor with properties and XMLHTTPRequest capability 
> would be great.  I think we would have a KILLER APP!
>
> Well, maybe I am dreamin?  Just thought I'd give my 2 cents.


Hi! concerning the web based IDE I'm currently working on something like 
what you describe for Zope3.

You should get on the z3lab-list.  You can also get a blog on z3lab.org 
and post flash animations:
http://www.z3lab.org/
http://lists.nuxeo.com/mailman/listinfo/z3lab

Regards
/JM