[Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

[Milind Khadilkar]

Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 (that
was the simple question I had asked!
Thanks also for pointing out substancedD.

Will definitely go through it.

Just one question: is the "civilized" in
Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman?


On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Carlos de la Guardia <
carlos.delaguardia at gmail.com> wrote:

> There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more
> opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which
> is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could
> have been.
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> http://substanced.net/
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> Carlos de la Guardia
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> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski <
> lozinski at freerecruiting.com> wrote:
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>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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>>  without citing the source
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>> My Apologies.  Here it is.
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>> http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/
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>> I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out
>> what the heck is going on with configuration.
>> At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great:
>> They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything.
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>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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>> > Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to understand.
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>> So much bullshit,
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>> Well for this one, I will just quote from
>> "Defending Pyramid's Design"
>> presumably written by ChrisM himself.
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>> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html
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>>   "We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code
>> has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration,
>> we’ve commented these sections liberally."
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>> And that is the author's presumably generous description.
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>> So is ChrisM also a bullshitter?   Then I am in good company.
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>> I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid.  And I do
>> think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open.  But
>> there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things.   There
>> is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important
>> that someone points it out.  I think of Grok as more of a purist approach.
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>> I like grok.
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>> Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion.
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