[Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

[Carlos de la Guardia]

No dig. We love the caveman.

Carlos de la Guardia


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Milind Khadilkar <zedobject at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 (that
> was the simple question I had asked!
> Thanks also for pointing out substancedD.
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> Will definitely go through it.
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> Just one question: is the "civilized" in
> Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman?
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> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Carlos de la Guardia <
> carlos.delaguardia at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more
>> opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which
>> is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could
>> have been.
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>> http://substanced.net/
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>> Carlos de la Guardia
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>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski <
>> lozinski at freerecruiting.com> wrote:
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>>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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>>>  without citing the source
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>>> My Apologies.  Here it is.
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>>> http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/
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>>> I quote:
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>>> I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out
>>> what the heck is going on with configuration.
>>> At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great:
>>> They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything.
>>>
>>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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>>> > Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to understand.
>>> >
>>>
>>> So much bullshit,
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>>>
>>> Well for this one, I will just quote from
>>> "Defending Pyramid's Design"
>>> presumably written by ChrisM himself.
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>>> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html
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>>>   "We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code
>>> has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration,
>>> we’ve commented these sections liberally."
>>>
>>> And that is the author's presumably generous description.
>>>
>>> So is ChrisM also a bullshitter?   Then I am in good company.
>>>
>>> I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid.  And I do
>>> think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open.  But
>>> there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things.   There
>>> is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important
>>> that someone points it out.  I think of Grok as more of a purist approach.
>>>
>>> I like grok.
>>>
>>> Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion.
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