[Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

[Milind Khadilkar]

Thanks!
:)

Milind Khadilkar


On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Carlos de la Guardia <
carlos.delaguardia at gmail.com> wrote:

> No dig. We love the caveman.
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> Carlos de la Guardia
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> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Milind Khadilkar <zedobject at gmail.com>
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>> Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4
>> (that was the simple question I had asked!
>> Thanks also for pointing out substancedD.
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>> Will definitely go through it.
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>> Just one question: is the "civilized" in
>> Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman?
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>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Carlos de la Guardia <
>> carlos.delaguardia at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more
>>> opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which
>>> is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could
>>> have been.
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>>> http://substanced.net/
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>>> Carlos de la Guardia
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>>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski <
>>> lozinski at freerecruiting.com> wrote:
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>>>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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>>>>  without citing the source
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>>>> My Apologies.  Here it is.
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>>>> http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/
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>>>> I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out
>>>> what the heck is going on with configuration.
>>>> At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great:
>>>> They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything.
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>>>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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>>>> > Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to understand.
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>>>> So much bullshit,
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>>>> Well for this one, I will just quote from
>>>> "Defending Pyramid's Design"
>>>> presumably written by ChrisM himself.
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>>>> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html
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>>>>   "We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core
>>>> code has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an
>>>> amelioration, we’ve commented these sections liberally."
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>>>> And that is the author's presumably generous description.
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>>>> So is ChrisM also a bullshitter?   Then I am in good company.
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>>>> I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid.  And I do
>>>> think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open.  But
>>>> there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things.   There
>>>> is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important
>>>> that someone points it out.  I think of Grok as more of a purist approach.
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>>>> I like grok.
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>>>> Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion.
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