Well, that's a DUH on my part. Thanks for reminding me how I screwed it up. I've made hundreds of page template objects, but when setting up standardtemplate.pt I screwed it up, and that just carried over everywhere.. :-( Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements