I'm trying to evaluate Zope for use in our scattering of projects, and it's been maddeningly delightful. I see a design with wonderful cleanness and simplicity, yet complete coverage for all we need to do. The one problem I have is that old standard Unix problem: all the documentation assumes you already have the specifics you need from some other unspecified, and in this case nonexistent, document. After days of digging through every available document and the archives of this list, I realized that it should be possible to store stuff in a database if I can figure out a handful of things I can't seem to glean from the documentation: 1) Where do I put the python files to use in an External Method? Here, the documentation offers a couple of highly ambiguous hints (Put them in the Extensions directory of your Zope directory, which directory you may have to create. OK, that narrows it down to maybe a dozen that this term could refer to. Or an Extensions directory under your product (lib/python/ Products/<myProduct>/Extensions) - now that's the least ambiguous one, but I can't help suspecting there's a key fact or 60 being left out here... Since most of the rest of the documentation assumes you already know almost everything you need, and refrains from 'repeating' it. 2) Can an External Method, or more to the point, an Extension, get at other Zope objects? If so, I can use the Oracle connection I put in my folder and which is obligingly open. If so, how? This doesn't come up in any of the examples. Answers to these two may let me do some trivial prototyping so I can find out if this thing is as wonderful as it looks. I assume it must be, because everybody keeps making sense in their praise of this obviously wonderful design. I'll be willing to accept the idea that I'm a fool not to use Bobo, too, but I still need these answers to stand a chance either way. I'll be delighted to help make documentation improvements, because if it is this great, it deserves to be useable by everybody. Frankly, the documentation as it stands is great marketing material, but maddening if you want to insert and update data in a database, or indeed add/update data at all. -- Bradford K. Hull | **> Never let a computer see you hurry. <** brad@tera.com | Bradford K. Hull (206)701-2066 |