[Zope-Coders] Upcoming releases

[Tim Peters]

[Tim Peters]
>> Heh.  I did check it in, but Zope-Checkins decided I wasn't allowed to
>> post to that list ...

[Ken Manheimer]
> That was my fault.

Of course it was.  I was just too polite to point that out <wink>.

>  I was experimenting with list settings looking to arrive at a balance that
> would hold incidental items while allowing official ones.  Turns out that's
> complicated on the notices list because the ostensible "from" address is
> the user's zope.org member address, which sometimes (probably, often)
> is not their list subscription address.

I don't expect it's worth worrying much about.  I later subscribed to
zope-checkins under the address it sent the "moderator hold" message
to, and then disabled mail delivery on the new subscription.  That's
not unique -- I'm probably subscribed to a dozen Zope mailing lists
now under two (or three) addresses.

> I gave up on that first stab, so messages will once again go through
> undeterred, and approved tim's held checkin notices.  (I also discarded a
> piece of spam that would have gone through without this measure, during
> the brief time it was in place.)

And if you can discard 100 pieces of spam per day that way, I might
even notice the slight dip in my spam load <wink>.

> So i'm thinking about a more viable filtering approach.  There's a pretty
> obvious and simple one, that would allow only messages that come from the
> checkin-notifications mechanism (there is probably some cue in the
> headers, we can add one if not).  The drawback is that it would discard
> incidental comments, which can be valuable - typically, "whoops, did you
> really mean to do that?" responses, useful on a checkins list.  Those
> comments are typically cc'd to the original posters ("checkin-ers"?
> "checkers-iners"?), but having them on the list would be ideal.

I think they're more useful on the associated -dev list.  I expect to
see (only) automated checkin msgs on a -checkins list, and fiddle my
email priorities accordingly.  On the Python project, python-checkins
msgs have

Reply-To: python-dev at python.org

set, after several important threads were "lost" on the mostly-ignored
checkins list.  The Zope lists appear similar:  zope-dev has 10x as
many subscribers as zope-checkins, and even then it looks like half of
the latter have delivery disabled.  IOW, checkins lists appear mostly
ignored on all projects.