[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

[Martijn Faassen]

Julien Anguenot wrote:
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> And what about the acceptance of Zope3 *outside* the Zope community ?
> Zope3 will look like more complicated and confusing doing a merge. 

People building on Zope 3 will presumably mostly be working with a Zope 
3 release, which will not include Zope 2. So, they cannot be confused by 
Zope 2 in that way. But if they're to become Zope 3 core developers 
they'll have to learn about this, yes.

> I'm
> more concerned about the acceptance of Zope3 outside the Zope community
> because Zope2 developers will have to move to Zope3 at a certain time.
> It's juste much more easier than for the first people.

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 > I still believe Zope2 developers will come on Zope3 pretty easily.

I don't think it is easy at all. While any competent Zope 2 developer 
will be able to learn about Zope 3, there's also the question of 
motivation and opportunity to do so. Only thanks to Five is the Plone 
community making any move to Zope 3 at all, for instance. There's a 
pretty huge barrier between Zope 2 and Zope 3 and only recently has it 
been slowly coming down in the minds of Zope 2 developers.

While I don't doubt developers will be coming to Zope 3 from outside the 
Zope community, I also think that by far the biggest amount of 
developers will be coming from *within* the Zope community, and if we 
want to gain more developers for Zope 3, *that* is the best place to 
look. It's our community, let's take care of it.

 > The
 > challenge is people outside the Zope community and I'm more worried
 > about them.

Outside the Zope community Zope 3 doesn't have such a great image 
indeed. It's either ignored, or it's actively rejected. There is a lot 
of competition with other frameworks. Zope 3 is currently not doing 
particularly well in this competition, something we need to fix, but 
that's another topic for another thread. It doesn't change that inviting 
in the Zope 2 developers is most effective thing we can do at present to 
grow the Zope 3 community.

Regards,

Martijn