Zope April 1999

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passing REQUEST.form to frames
by Hannu Krosing 09 Dec '99

09 Dec '99

What is the correct syntax for passing form data to child frames of a frameset ? I would like to pass form fields that is submitted to frameset to child frames. Is there any alternative built-in syntax to using an ugly construct like this : =& ------------------ Hannu

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- FYI: Zope Roadmap for next two months
by Paul Everitt 23 Jun '99

23 Jun '99

Howdy all. I've attached below a quick snapshot of things happening for Digital Creations and Zope. The roadmap finally allows me to answer some of the questions coming up here in the Zope community. --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909 Zope Roadmap For about two months I have made attempts to write down a roadmap that described future directions for Zope. I could never find the right format for detailing the items, though. No one likes to go on record making promises. I settled on the following format as a good compromise that allows me plenty of wiggle room. Each of the items below has a number between one and three in front of it. A one means we are quite likely to do it in the next two months. A three means we have done some work on it and are likely to do more work on it, but don't expect too much progress. The easiest way to get us to change priorities, of course, is through consulting. Many of the items in the list are in support of existing consulting projects. I'll start with Digital Creations, as some of the items we are looking at impact the Zope community. o (1) Hire seven more folks. I expect us to have concluded employment contracts with another seven people by the end of February 1999. We are pretty busy on consulting contracts right now and, as you can see, have quite a backlog of Zope work to do. o (1) Get ten case studies online. Just about everybody new to Zope and/or Python wants to see something done with it. We *have* done interesting work, we just need to package it up to make the case studies and testimonials visible. By the way, giving us some good words to put on the website about Zope really, really helps us convince newcomers to try it out, so pitch in! o (1) Relocate offices. By the end of January we will have switched offices as we need a lot more space. Needless to say we have a disruption facing us but we are doing a good job of managing it so far. o (1) Business plan for 1999. There are a couple of trends that are emerging on the scene in 1999, most notably the mainstreaming of open source. We would like to position ourselves to capitalize on these trends. Thus we are reviewing our business plan and having a board vote first week of February. o (1) Start a Zope Hosting Provider program. I have a page mostly finished for a signup and have two companies that have indicated serious interest. The following is a list of initiatives in the Zope area that are on our radar, though some rely on continued funding from consulting projects, which can be tough to predict: o (1) Tabula and indexing structures. We are going to begin a slow process of moving pieces of Tabula into Zope. The Zope 1.10 release will put the BTrees, integer sets, and indexing machinery into Zope. Tabula itself will be available just afterwards for a small audience of those willing to work with us on it. Over time this will mean Zope will scale up much, much more. In the nearterm it allows the Zopespot project to get kicked off. o (1) Start Zopespot. We have been planting seeds for a while to do a "Slashdot" in Zope. I have been working on a requirements document off-and-on for the last two weeks. More importantly, Ken Manheimer was hired to be the shepherd for this project. More to follow in a separate post. o (1) Release overhauled versions of the four main documentation artifacts. We hope to have by the end of this week new, overhauled versions of the Zope Manager's Guide, the DTML guide, and the SQL Methods (formerly Aqueduct) guide. When Tabula makes it out we will publish its documentation. o (1) Zope 1.10 released. Zope 1.10 will include: - BTrees and integer sets - The SearchIndex package which has a number of indexing classes, including classes for field indexes and text indexes. - Property management broken out into a separate mixin - Properties DTML Documents, Images, and Files - Image patches provided by Ty Syrna to allow size attributes - New absolute URL feature to allow images to referred to from different folders more easily - Bug fixes, plus anything else I've forgotten o (1) Relocate zope.org. Starting this week we are relocating the website which has a big fat pipe to the Internet, as well as people more talented than us to look at it. We'll make a separate announcement about this. o (1) Public CVS server. When Ken gets here I imagine he'll move pretty quickly to getting a public repository available using CVS or Perforce. o (2) Confera released. When the machinery from Tabula goes back into Zope we can brush up Confera and release it. Confera provides threaded discussions that include moderation, full-text searching, and more. Documentation was also written for it so we'll brush that off as well. o (1) WebDAV. Brian Lloyd has made quite a bit of progress on WebDAV. Our goal is to get Zope's hat in the ring for WebDAV as soon as realistically possible. o (1) Zope/Medusa with FTP. As you may have seen on Friday, Amos and Jim have worked with Sam to iron out an architecture document for Zope/Medusa. We should have an alpha release this month of Zope/Medusa with PCGI, HTTP, and FTP implemented as Medusa handlers. o (2) A formal Zope query language. Adding a standard query language, such as OQL or XQL, has recently become pretty important. I hope that we will show some progress on this over the next month or two. o (2) Zope2 beta with full concurrency. It is very important that we make progress on the architecture described by Jim's "BoboPOS3alpha1" paper. o (2) XML. Zope is a great fit for XML, even better with the machinery from Tabula going in. We also see XML becoming the basis for other initiatives, such as WebDAV and RDF. However, we just can't squeeze out the time to dive in deep. Rather, we'd love to see more community progress like that which popped up this weekend. o (3) Offer Collector. A good number of people have asked about contracting with us to get the Collector software for tracking bugs reports, feature requests, and more. Thus we might have a Zope-based solution available and packaged that our customers can drop into their sites. o (3) Replication. Being able to copy the contents of a main site to a local site, make changes while offline, then replicate them back up is a compelling opportunity for Zope. And it isn't that unrealistic, as some of the machinery is there already in the undocumented manage_exportHack operation. However, until it pops up on a consulting gig I doubt Digital Creations will return to it. o (3) Progress on "Python Interfaces", http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/dd-fulton-sum.html. Many of the initiatives we start around here seem to cross territory where we wish we had interfaces. Of course I might have forgotten a thing or two here or there. I'm sure you folks will let me know if I have. :^)

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- ZAP for Win32?
by Michael Bernstein 13 May '99

13 May '99

Will there be a ZAP (Zope Apache) package for win32 on the zope site anytime soon? Michael Bernstein.

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RE: [Zope] Linux Expo & PR & Wired
by Paul Everitt 06 May '99

06 May '99

Bob Connor wrote: > I'm thrilled to see you promoting ZOPE. If you havn't seen > the May issue of WIRED you should check it out. There are three > articles of interest: > > 1) "Open Season - - why an industry of cutthroat competition is > suddenly deciding good karma is great business --" > Has graph that shows the ONLY OS gaining market share is > Linux. ('97 to '98). Another shows Apache moving from > 45% to 54% Jan 98 to Jan 99. And more interesting > a 25 person Lan: Microsoft vs Linux including > support: $21,453 vs $5,544 It certainly seems the wall of invincibility around these brands is showing some cracks. > 2) "Tour de Source -- A guide to the Start-ups" > 22 Open Source companies listed in table > Alas, Digital Creations is not listed :-) Four companies with > only 10 employees are listed. How big is > Digital Creations now? 11 now including a couple of part-time folks. By the show, based on some offers we have out, I _really_ hope we're up another 5. Still tiny *but* gradually getting out of crisis mode. We're also establishing relationships with other companies. Growing a business while keeping focus is challenging. Fortunately we have good people here and good people on the way. They don't need much help -- in fact I fired myself two days ago. I was turning into a bottleneck and decided to get out of the way. I trust the people here much more than I trust myself! > 3) "Free Enterprise -- An open source success story--" > Good story of Cobalt a company that sells > Linux servers: Cube, RaQ, CacheQube etc... > Hey, I could see ZOPE being bundled in a Cobalt box > either directly or perhaps more quickly as a > VAR product. The number one way to make this happen is for people to convince them there is a demand. > Even though the PR firm is expensive, I hope they are good, > i mean, GREAT ! Hopefully they are into the web and > the computer industry and can get coverage with some > of the previously mentioned contacts in infoworld, > linuxworld, wired etc.... They are a technology-only firm that has done good work for some of the other companies in Verticality's portfolio. I'm very confident that they will get us the ear of the opinion makers. For some of the brand definition, logo overhaul, taglines, etc., I'm too much of an engineer. That creative stuff is just mystifying to me :^) > I'd love to hear more information about the community portal idea. > I know of a few organizations that would benefit from their > own portals. > Anyone doing this yet? -- even alpha or beta? Do you mean anyone doing *our* stuff? Not yet. I really hope by the show, maybe even by the end of the month, we have turned zope.org into a significant showcase. > >As part of the PR push we need some of you out there to ride the wave > >with us and give us some case studies. This is both crucial for Zope > >and a great benefit to you! > > > Yes, I hope to have a Case study for you. Currently I'm testing zope > "on the internet" and not just my LAN with a > Zope host: (Thanks Scott Robertson) http://www.codeit.com > My site for now is at http://rocnet.codeit.com Fantastic, look forward to it! --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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Operation timeout under IE4.0
by Miller, John M. 05 May '99

05 May '99

Greetings and salutations (though after that spam-ed Test message of mine many of you may be ready to salute my butt into high orbit), I have a feeling this may be old ground, but luck has failed me searching the documentation and list archives. My server setup is: Zope 1.10.2 (binary release, Python 1.5.1, win32-x86). IIS4.0 I have no problem using Netscape to access and fully use the management screens. The problem arises when I use IE4.0. I get errors on the order of (I got this trying to add a DTML document, I also get a similar error when adding a DTML method) : Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site http://pmatrix:9673/cgi-bin/ZopeDevel.exe/manage_addDTMLDocument The operation timed out. A couple of notes: 1) I don't seem to get this error when adding a Folder object. I'm not sure, but I only seem to have this problem with DTML documents and methods. 2) A proxy server is used on my local network for web access, but my IIS server is local and I'm pretty sure I've disabled the proxy for local access. Many thanks, John Miller

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Zope on IRIX
by François-Régis CHALAOUX 02 May '99

02 May '99

Hi Zopirix, Did somebody compile Zope on Irix 6.X and if yes what was the way to do it? Thanks, FR

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FYI: Plans for Linux Expo
by Paul Everitt 02 May '99

02 May '99

Howdy. I've been holding off, hoping for a more formal statement of what's going on. Rather than wait any longer, I'll share some pieces of news with you. We are focusing on Linux Expo (May 18-22, www.linuxexpo.org) as a focus point for us where a number of things are going to come together: 1) I'll be giving a speech on the business track about Open Source and Venture Capital. The talk is currently (read: tentatively) scheduled for Saturday, May 22nd at 10:30. Other business track speeches that day are Sun, IBM, and Compaq, so they decided they needed me for a touch of class :^) I expect the topic of my talk will be quite interesting to a reasonable portion of the audience. 2) We are working with a professional PR firm (read: expensive) to coordinate a branding overhaul and PR push. We are positioning Zope as an application server focusing on community portals. The under-discussion brand of the company is "unleashing potential", which is based on Open Source, community portal, safely delegating control, and through-the-web everything. The PR firm will cultivate opinion makers in advance, schedule one-on-one interviews, and make appropriate press releases. 3) We'll have a booth there. 4) We are coordinating some software efforts to coincide with the show. For instance, beta1 of Zope2 will be ready by then, knock on wood. Also, some efforts to fill out our portal story (such as Membership, Catalog, etc.) will land. 5) I certainly expect the zope.org site and the digicool.com site to be overhauled by then. 6) Apparently we're on the PowerTools CD for RedHat 6.0 which I imagine will be launched during the show. As part of the PR push we need some of you out there to ride the wave with us and give us some case studies. This is both crucial for Zope and a great benefit to you! That's a brief version of events. --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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Changing contents of a file
by Martin Dougiamas 02 May '99

02 May '99

OK, I'm going nuts trying to get this to work. What I want to do is to replace the contents of a HTML file with the contents of a variable I have, using DTML, in a similar way to that way the Zope manager Edit tab does it. Seems simple enough, but every combination I try seems to fail. The object reference is fairly minimalist which makes it difficult to work out how to use all these methods, and I can't find any DTML examples. Do I use manage_upload or manage_edit? How do I reference a file called "myfile.html"? eg: (my latest non-working code)    Cheers, Martin -- ### Martin Dougiamas -- Internet Agent is == i see ### Centre for Educational Advancement ### http://cea.curtin.edu/staff/martin

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RE: [Zope] Authentication
by Brian Lloyd 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

> Brian Lloyd wrote: > > > > You need to use the has_role method, not hasRole (hasRole > is deprecated, > > and suffered from a poor choice of name, since it was the original > > name of user.allowed. the name exists solely for b/w compatibility). > > > I am using hasRole so when I saw this I tried changing it to has_roll. > But has_roll gives me an error. Is the sytax different? I am > using Zope > 1.10.2 on RedHat Linux 5.2. > >  > > PS I stole this from Zope.org a while back. :) > > Phil A. I think you're giving too many arguments to has_role - it is already bound to AUTHENTICATED_USER, so the following _should_ work:  Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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RE: [Zope] Authentication
by Brian Lloyd 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

> Hi all, > > Martijn or somebody else, > > > Can you please explain me the code below. I don't understand it and it > doesn't work the way I want. > > <h2></h2> > >  > > If I browse to this page I get the message : this should be a picture. > > Where can I set that a user can only enter the page after he's given a > password? Or where can I set these user roles? I don't get it. At the > moment I haven't set anything and it still allows me to enter > the data. > > Tia, Tom Tom - You need to use the has_role method, not hasRole (hasRole is deprecated, and suffered from a poor choice of name, since it was the original name of user.allowed. the name exists solely for b/w compatibility). Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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