June 1999 - Zope - Zope lists

ANN: Squishdot -- a slashdot-clone Zope Product
by Butch Landingin 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Hi ya all, After some sanity-checking by a small group of testers, Squishdot - a slashdot-clone Zope product, is now ready to be downloaded, commented on, its tires kicked and its innards poked around. It's available at the following url: http://members.tripod.com/squishdot/index.html Some caveats, however : 1) it's very early alpha-software. It's still probably got some big bugs lying around, waiting to pounce on 'ya. I'm releasing it to a larger group hoping to get more bug reports. Start sending them to squishdot(a)yahoo.com. 2) it works best if you have Ty Sarna's TinyTable Zope product installed. It works with both the original TinyTable product (ver. 0.7.3) as well as the TinyTable beta2 (ver. 0.8.2) 3) it has been tested with Zope 1.10.2 (stable release). It can also work with later versions, including Zope2, but you need to patch your TinyTable product to make to the fancy demo options work. The following url: http://www.egroups.com/group/zope/5991.html? can give you some guidance on how to patch it (TinyTable) to work with Zope2/ZODB3. Lastly, thanks to the group of testers for testing the early release candidates of Squishdot. Your bug reports have helped me improve the product immensely. Thanks specially to Michael Bernstein for the Zope2/ZODB3 test. Best Regards, Butch Landingin butchland(a)yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [Zope] Newbie q: Name.error at startup
by Michel Pelletier 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Yes, perhaps you'd like to revise WEBSERVER.txt acording to your experiences and send it to me? -Michel > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil@philh.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:32 AM > To: Michel Pelletier; Michael Bernstein; beddow01(a)globalnet.co.uk > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Newbie q: Name.error at startup > > > Should the docs be changed to reflect this? > > Phil > phil(a)philh.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michel Pelletier <michel(a)digicool.com> > To: 'Phil Harris' <phil(a)philh.org>; Michael Bernstein > <mbernstein(a)profitscape.net>; <beddow01(a)globalnet.co.uk> > Cc: <zope(a)zope.org> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 2:24 PM > Subject: RE: [Zope] Newbie q: Name.error at startup > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil@philh.org] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 4:13 AM > > > To: Michael Bernstein; beddow01(a)globalnet.co.uk > > > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > > > Subject: Re: [Zope] Newbie q: Name.error at startup > > > > > > > > > after installing Zope 2.0.0a1 on RedHat 5.2, Python 1.5.2 I > > > had to make a > > > slight adjustment to the RewriteRule :- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > RewriteRule ^/Zope/(.*) /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/$1 > > > [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] > > > > > > > It actually works this way for pre 1.3 Apache... > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > RewriteRule ^/Zope(.*) /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi$1 > > > [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] > > > > > > > And this way for post 1.3... > > > > go figgure. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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Long running process
by Mikhail Terekhov 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Hi, Suppose I've created Zope product which has a method whith heavy computations inside it. Is it possible to monitor execution of such method? I.e. not to wait until it finishes, but display the current status of computations. Regards Mike

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RE: [Zope] University Website with Zope
by Michel Pelletier 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Shurtleff [mailto:troy@mav.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:20 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] University Website with Zope > > > I a working on a more effective way to manage the website for a public > university in North Carolina. Lately I have been considering > Zope as a > possible solution. I have spent some time using Zope and > seeing what I > can do with it. > > There are two features that are a priority in the web site... > > 1. We need to have a search feature where users from the web > can enter > a value in a search field and find documents that contain that > text.....a fairly simple operation. Not as simple as you think. What is searchable content? You may just want to search through Documents, but how should Methods be handled? Should the title be indexed seperately? Should the author be indexed? In a system which involves such concepts as acquisition and Methods rendering Documents, what exactly get indexed? The contentes with the DTML striped? The rendered contents of the Document? Since almost all rendering depends on the context of the request, how should the indexer set up the context? What if different contexts define wildly different content? What happens when a Document renders a method that calls another method that uses a ZSQL method? Obviously, you don't want to render information that will change on every request (like, show me the latests ten records in my write-busy SQL database). It wouldn't be too hard to write something that bute force searches through your objects (ala grep and find, in fact we have this find machinery in Zope), but this of course would be prohibitvely expensive and it would wake up your entire object heirarchy. So the solution is to build indexes. Zope comes with all the indexing machinery necesary to do this, it's just all in Python. So to get indexing benefits you must write a product in python to take advantage of this. Luckily, we are working on this concept right now. We have an in house product called Catalog that will do just that, Catalog your objects in various indexes acording to a managable schema. We are taking our time with it because it is a complex beast which has bitten us before (we have done plenty of searching/indexing jobs before). > > I tried experimenting with the find feature in the Zope management > interface. I was able to get close to what I want. I had to give > anonymous users permision to view management screens. after > some search > criteria was entered a list of DTML Documents would appear that > contained the text that I searched for. When I clicked on > the documents > it took me to the management screen for that document....from there i > could view it. > 'find' is pretty much a managment function for you to find an object in the heirarchy. I wouldn't suggest making it public, it is expensive as it recursivly walks it way down your whole tree, seaching awake objects, and waking up and searching (and then putting back to sleep) sleeping objects. > I would like to be able to better control the appearance of the output > after a user does a search and I would like the user to be > sent directly > to a document listed in the search results.....without going > through the > management screen. > This is something the catalog will do, albeit in a much cheaper fasion. > 2. We would like to have a dynamically generated site > map....this will > probably only be avalible to administrators but possibly > outside users. > With the site map I would like to see what is linked to what...and if > there are any broken links. I tried using the tree tag but nothing > showed up. >  >  >  > is there something wrong with it? a tree view may be sufficient. > Once again, the catalog can help you here. The Catalog is designed to be flexible in making a Directory of your indexed objects (Caveat: your objects must conform to a certain schema, so you will have to define ZClasses and use those objects in your site, not painful, just more work). You specify in the schema of your object say, a keyword argument, and then build a tree of objects based on those keywords. This is nice because your objects don't actually have to be laid out in a heirarchical fasion in the object database, they just *look* that way. So you can have objects strewn all overthe place and still have your site look very pretty. Directories will probably be in a later release of the portal tool kit. > I am currently running... > Zope 1.10.2 (binary release, python 1.5.1, win32-x86), on Python 1.5.1 > (#0, Nov 18 1998, 12:17:58) [MSC 32 bit (Intel)] on win32. > > Eventually we plan on installing Zope on our primary academic > machine....unix....that is if we can implement the features we want. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Feel free to respond to this via e-mail to troy(a)mav.net > > Thanks > Troy > -- > Troy Shurtleff > troy(a)mav.net > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] Permission mappings, Z Classes, and acquisition
by Michel Pelletier 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander Staubo [mailto:alex@mop.no] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:26 PM > To: Zope Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: [Zope] Permission mappings, Z Classes, and acquisition > > > Let's say I create a Z Class "Document" and define some new permission > types. Then for some objects in my Z Class I create > permission mappings, > such as "Add Documents, Images, and Files" and "Delete > objects" mapping > to my permission type "Manage documents". Then I create some instances > of the Z Class in the folder "Documents". I define a new global role > "DocumentAdmin". I want this role to manage documents in the > "Documents" > folder and all subfolders. > > But there's the rub. I'd like to use acquisition to enable these > security settings for all documents in this hierarchy. Zope > only allows > giving this permission to this role for each and every > specific Z Class > instance, because my custom permissions, such as "Manage > documents", are > not available on the folder level -- they're only available on > instances. > > Is this a bug? Isn't the permission list supposed to be a superset of > all available permission types defined in the database? Am I missing > something? > I don't think this is a bug. In order for you to aquire permissions from on up high, you must aquire them from a container. If you object is a container, then it's permissions can be aquired, but if it's container (say, a straight folder) does not define permissions it wants to aquire, then it can't. > Because of this design, I guess I have to create a dummy Z > Class called > "DocumentFolder" which defines my custom permissions, then > let the root > folder be an instance of this class. Which is fine, but I > didn't expect > having to do this. If this is by design, I'd like to know the > rationale > behind it. > This is how you'll have to do it. There is no "super" set of permissions anywhere. A plain folder containing your ZClass can't know what permissions it wants because acquisition works the other way. In fact, it's a feature that you can't acquire permissions down, because that would break the Zope law of delegation and abstraction of control. Managers in upper level folders would have to deal with a growing list of mostly un-related permissions they don't care about. So if you want to define your own permissions on your own object, and you want those objects to aquire from a containing parent, that containing parent must also define the permissions your objects are interested in. In your case, this involves creating a custom container of some sort. -Michel > Oh, and this is Zope 1.11.0pr1. > > -- > Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ > "`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" > --Douglas Adams, _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] Newbie q: Name.error at startup
by Michel Pelletier 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil@philh.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 4:13 AM > To: Michael Bernstein; beddow01(a)globalnet.co.uk > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Newbie q: Name.error at startup > > > after installing Zope 2.0.0a1 on RedHat 5.2, Python 1.5.2 I > had to make a > slight adjustment to the RewriteRule :- > > From: > > RewriteRule ^/Zope/(.*) /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/$1 > [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] > It actually works this way for pre 1.3 Apache... > > To: > > RewriteRule ^/Zope(.*) /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi$1 > [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] > And this way for post 1.3... go figgure.

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RE: [Zope] ever wanted to reverse the  tag?
by Michel Pelletier 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Hooper [mailto:brian@garage.co.jp] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 8:13 AM > To: Martijn Pieters > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] ever wanted to reverse the  tag? > > > hi ! > > whoops, foolish duplication of effort on my part (gotta pay better > attention to the list - but there's a lot to read!) No kidding. I hope Marijn's patch made it into 2.0.0, can one of you check the CVS and sniff it down? If it isn't, mail me and I'll put the patch in myself. (to busy to check on it though, just point me ;) -Michel > > Martijn Pieters <mj(a)antraciet.nl> wrote: > > > > So did I.. =) And I also supplied a patch, it's even in the > Collector. > > > > Archive: > > http://www.zope.org/pipermail/zope/1999-May/004394.html > > Why does your patch set self.sort to ''? > oh - this was so that it's possible to do 'reverse' without > specifying a 'sort' > this was necessary because of where i chose to do the sort... > (but, looking at your patch, i think you picked a much better place to > do the reverse than i did!) > > --brian > > p.s. actually, i reversed , too, just now, to be able to > reverse the order of Confera topics and other things... hope that you > didn't already do this one too! =) > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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Confera FAQ?
by Jay Ashton 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Zopesters, I've started playing around width Confera and have realized that it's worthy of much more useful documentation than currently exists (which, as far as I have been able to find, is none at all). I'm still very new to Confera and don't yet have any insights of my own, but would really love to volunteer my time to maintain at least a FAQ. Would others find this helpful? Has anyone else started work on this? Could/should it be integrated into to ZDP project? Should I host it on one of my servers for now? Please advise! Assuming no one else has begun this, I dug through the various zope sites and lists and put together the very little bit of Confera info that I could find into a FAQ. And I added a few unanswered questions that I and others have been wondering about. If it sounds at all worthwhile, send along corrections, answers, additions, suggestions, more questions, etc.! Hope this can turn into something helpful! - Jay PS - BTW if anyone's interested, I and a few others here at a company called Digital Garage in Tokyo have built probably the first Zoped sites in Japan. One that we produce is SonicNet Japan (partnered with SonicNet in the US, EU, AU) and just about a week ago we launched a new site with a role-based, scheduled news and cybercast publishing system with integrated artist information, a user-contributed and dynamically ranked network of personal music fan pages (affiliate-esque), and more. (We hope to have some products contributed as soon as we have time!) http://www.sonicnet.co.jp/ (warning - it's all in Japanese!) -------------- Confera FAQ -------------- - What is Confera? Confera is a threaded discussion Product for <a href="http://www.zope.org/">Zope</a> that was created by <a href="http://www.digicool.com/">Digital Creations</a> and is licensed under the Zope Public License as Open Source. Confera is not currently supported by Digital Creations support staff without a support or partnership agreement. - Is Confera a supported product? No, Confera is not currently supported by Digital Creations support staff without a <a href="?">support or partnership agreement</a>. - Where can I get Confera? http://www.zope.org/Download/Prereleases/Confera - How do I install Confera? Assuming you've got <a href="">Zope</a> (version 1.10.2 or higher) up and running, you'll find information on installing products <a href="????">here</a>. - How do I display the total number of messages in a topic? Call the 'item_count' method of the 'topic' object.  There are  messages in this topic.  - How do I expand all tree branches by default? ***** ????? ***** NOTE- I saw Martin's tip on setting 'expand_all' to a non-zero value, but this didn't work for me either... - How do I include links to the "next" and "previous" messages? ***** ????? ***** - How do I display messages in reverse chronological order (newest messages at top)? ***** ????? ***** - Is it possible to "un-tree" a message index and display a simple, unindented list of message titles? ***** ????? ***** - Can I check out a functional implementation of Confera? ***** ????? ***** - Who maintains the code for Confera? ***** ????? ***** - Confera rocks! Who can I thank for this fabulous software?!? Thanks go to Brian Lloyd and rest of the amazing gang at Digital Creations! http://www.digicool.com/ -------------- END --------------

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ever wanted to reverse the  tag?
by Brian Hooper 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

i did! so, here's a little patch to DT_In.py, which allows the use of a reverse arg to the  tag, so that  ...  prints out a reversed version of  ...  the patch is against Zope 1.10.2 but should also work with 2.0.0a1, since not much has changed w/ DT_In since then. i don't know if anyone else needs this, but it's useful for me (my motivation - wanting to print out an unthreaded Confera topic in newest-oldest order!) --brian

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Unauthorized Access
by Robert Canary 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Hi, I just installed Zope and the Zope-pcgi. I am using Apache-1.3.3. I can't log onto the manage. I fail authorization. I noticed the docs say you can't use Apache-1.3 is Apache-1.3.*3* still not current enough? thanks in advance :-) -- robert canary system services OhioCounty.Net rwcanary(a)ohiocounty.net (270)298-9331 Office (270)298-7449 Fax

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