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Troubles with a Zope-2.7.7-final instance
by Herbert Liechti 20 May '14

20 May '14

Hello I have some troubles with a customers system whos maintainer is no longer available. There was a zope 2.7.7 instance running there until last week. The system was rebooted after a long time an the instance did not come back online. I tried different things and after all I compiled python2.4 and all dependend stuff (I found all sources on the system). Now the instance is starting up with zopectl start. Unfortunately after a few minutes the instance dies without any messages in the log files. I tried to increase the log level but it has no effect. The instance should listen on port 8080. But I never encountered a listen on that port when I start up zope. I have no idea where to search now. I'm not very familiar with zope. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks Herbie

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Re: [Zope] Troubles with a Zope-2.7.7-final instance
by Sascha Welter 17 Mar '14

17 Mar '14

(Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:00:01PM +0100) zope-request(a)zope.org wrote/schrieb/egrapse: > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:05:00 +0100 > From: Herbert Liechti <xherbie(a)gmail.com> > I have some troubles with a customers system whos maintainer is no longer > available. There was a zope 2.7.7 instance running there until last week. > The system was rebooted after a long time an the instance did not come back > online. > > I tried different things and after all I compiled python2.4 and all > dependend stuff (I found all sources on the system). Now the instance is > starting up with zopectl start. Unfortunately after a few minutes the > instance dies without any messages in the log files. I tried to increase > the log level but it has no effect. > > The instance should listen on port 8080. But I never encountered a listen > on that port when I start up zope. I have no idea where to search now. First step, start it with `zopectl fg` in the foreground to be able to see any error messages popping up. If it takes a few minutes, it might be reindexing the db on startup and then running into a problem. Whatever it is, "fg" gives you a chance to see more. > I'm not very familiar with zope. Any help is much appreciated. Here are some hints that I wrote down a while ago: http://betabug.ch/blogs/ch-athens/1217 Regards, Sascha

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Zope.org fading away ..
by Jean Jordaan 13 Mar '14

13 Mar '14

Hi all I've been unsubscribed from the Zope mailing lists due to "excessive bounces". So for some reason despite my clicking "ignore, I trust this message" 100s of times, gmail doesn't like the mails zope.org sends. When I try to visit the mailing list web interface, Firefox is stopped in its tracks by "Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to mail.zope.org. The OCSP server has no status for the certificate. (Error code: sec_error_ocsp_unknown_cert)" When I try to use the "Kontakt" (sic) form at http://zope.org/, it pops up an empty div: "<div class="pb-ajax"><div></div></div>". -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\

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Re: [Zope] Zope.org fading away ..
by Rich Harley 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

You were misunderstanding me, I am not claiming that. I said "It’s not that Zope isn’t as open source as it can be, it’s that anyone building a new application will not use Zope” I am saying there is nothing wrong with the open sourceness of Zope. That wasn’t very clear, apologies. My concerns are solely around Zope moving forward over the next few years and how we can best achieve a community feel around Zope - or a deviate of Zope -once again. Rich On 12 Mar 2014, at 11:43, zopyxfilter(a)gmail.com wrote: > Rich Harley wrote: >> >> On 12 Mar 2014, at 11:08, zopyxfilter(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Rich Harley wrote: >>>> On 12 Mar 2014, at 10:05, zopyxfilter(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rich Harley wrote: >>>>>> It might be better if the whole zope project is handed over to somebody willing to move it forward. >>>>> The whole Zope project is as open as an open-source project can be. >>>> It’s not that Zope isn’t as open source as it can be, >>> Why? >> >> I am not disputing Zope is/was a great open source project. > > Why do you claim that "Zope is not as open as it can be"? What is > missing? Where is Zope not open? Please be specific. > > > -aj >

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Re: [Zope] Zope.org fading away ..
by Rich Harley 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

On 12 Mar 2014, at 11:08, zopyxfilter(a)gmail.com wrote: > Rich Harley wrote: >> On 12 Mar 2014, at 10:05, zopyxfilter(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Rich Harley wrote: >>>> It might be better if the whole zope project is handed over to somebody willing to move it forward. >>> The whole Zope project is as open as an open-source project can be. >> >> It’s not that Zope isn’t as open source as it can be, > > Why? I am not disputing Zope is/was a great open source project. > >> >> The problem is how to attract new developers to rebuild a Zope fit for life from 2015+. That would mean making the framework more modern in every sense but still retaining the features that made Zope great in the past like excellent security handling and a quick development cycle. This is not an easy task and would probably involve some rebranding as the Zope name is now associated with an old framework. >> >> >>> The decade of the large application servers and frameworks is over. >> >> Possibly but Zope could have moved with the times and evolved with the momentum it had 5 years ago instead of being usurped by frameworks like Django and Turbogears which any python dev would choose over Zope in a heartbeat these days if they wanted to build a scalable application. This is what needs to be addressed - or is it your opinion that Zope will die and there’s nothing we can do about it? That seems a shame to me. > > Zope lives as long as someone uses it (Plone uses it). Plone is going the same way of declining usage and development over the last 3-5 years. > Apart from that: > the project live from the contributions and contributors. The Zope > world is kind of a legacy and it is unlikely at this will change. > Keep it alive somehow to the point as you need by taking over > responsibility. Do you step up for a particular task? Good response:) No I don’t step up right now, too busy with our own codebase. But we would love to take the project forward in the future when we are a bigger company. Is the Zope 4 project still alive that was talked about in 2011? > > Andreas

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Re: [Zope] Zope.org fading away ..
by Rich Harley 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

On 12 Mar 2014, at 10:05, zopyxfilter(a)gmail.com wrote: > Rich Harley wrote: >> It might be better if the whole zope project is handed over to somebody willing to move it forward. > > The whole Zope project is as open as an open-source project can be. It’s not that Zope isn’t as open source as it can be, it’s that anyone building a new application will not use Zope, which is clearly a problem for longevity since in another 3 years there will be even less people using Zope as more and more legacy applications get rewritten. Personally we are very embedded with Zope 2.11. It’s excellent for what we are using it for and we are incredibly grateful of the community that built that product over the last 10 years. We use Zope in a very simple way for just holding python code, handling roles and connecting out to a Postgres DB but there are other frameworks which would do the same thing in a leaner way now. Still, we are not looking to rewrite because it does what we need well, although the version control is more hassle than it should be. > What is the problem here? The problem is how to attract new developers to rebuild a Zope fit for life from 2015+. That would mean making the framework more modern in every sense but still retaining the features that made Zope great in the past like excellent security handling and a quick development cycle. This is not an easy task and would probably involve some rebranding as the Zope name is now associated with an old framework. > The decade of the large application servers and frameworks is over. Possibly but Zope could have moved with the times and evolved with the momentum it had 5 years ago instead of being usurped by frameworks like Django and Turbogears which any python dev would choose over Zope in a heartbeat these days if they wanted to build a scalable application. This is what needs to be addressed - or is it your opinion that Zope will die and there’s nothing we can do about it? That seems a shame to me. Rich > >> >> It’s pretty obvious the various parts that make up the community like mailing lists, website, forums etc have been dead or dying for a long time. >> >> Will Zope ever get back to 2005-2006 levels…? See : http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=zope >> > > > -aj

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How to locate unused objects?
by Jaroslav Lukesh 06 Mar '14

06 Mar '14

Dear zopistas, does somebody have script to locate (and delete) unaccessed files (not viewed from some date) in the ZoDB tree with webserver log? Regards, Jaroslav Lukesh

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