March 2015 - Zope - Zope lists

Zope2 - pro/contra
by Sebastian Tänzer 18 Mar '15

18 Mar '15

Hello ZOPE community, we're still developing websites using Zope2 + ZMS3 (www.zms-publishing.com) for years now and never ran into any real problems (compared to, let's say, Wordpress, typo3, Drupal etc. which had serious security problems over the years) and our clients are quite happy with ZMS. A few days ago on a barcamp the discussion lead to Zope and the usual comments, i.e. "Zope is dead", "I would not use that", "Too complicated", "Too old", "Outdated",.... and so on. My personal opinion is, that Zope2 is still rock-solid and gets the job done. I've never heard of any serious issues compared to the big competitors from the PHP or Java world. I looked into Pyramid and Django for different projects and always came back to Zope2 itself. I did not ask that question for quite some time now as there was no reason. Sure, sometimes we get comments like "never heard of it" etc., but nothing serious. Still, are there any specific reasons (beside personal favors) not to use Zope2 anymore? Any reason not to use Zope2 + ZODB for new projects? Are other frameworks like flask, Django, pyramid etc. that much better compared to Zope? Best Sebastian

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Re: [Zope] Zope Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2
by Nico Grubert 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

I use Zope since around 2001 and I still have some Zope 2 web applications running and they are just rock-solid and easy to update. I have never been convinced by Zope 3 and I have never seen any advantages for using the Zope 3 techniques. The Zope 2 core developers (I think Andreas has worked for Zope Corporation) created a mature product - and I still love it for its flexibility and the speed of development once you understood the core concepts. However, web development has been changed in the past 10 years. But for future projects I look for new python based products.

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Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra
by Nico Grubert 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

I use Zope since around 2001 and I still have some Zope 2 web applications running and they are just rock-solid and easy to update. I have never been convinced by Zope 3 and I have never seen any advantages for using the Zope 3 techniques. The Zope 2 core developers (I think Andreas has worked for Zope Corporation) created a mature product - and I still love it for its flexibility and the speed of development once you understood the core concepts. However, web development has been changed in the past 10 years. But for future projects I look for new python based products. PS: Sorry, my former message can be deleted,I forgot to change the subject.

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