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RE: [Zope] Newbie: automatic template?
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

For HTML documents, you could do a lot of this using the CMF (content management framework) or Plone (a Zope CMS that uses the CMF). I think this might solve your concern, but you would need to familiarize yourself with the CMF. I would suggest starting with Plone (http://plone.org) Use the CMF and create skin methods using ZPT and METAL macros. METAL is a macro-system in ZPT for the reuse of presentation elements. You use the built-in Document type in a CMFDefault or Plone CMS based on the CMF. Create a custom skin for a CMF site. In a skin folder associated with that skin, create a ZPT called masterNav.html, it will contain code that looks like this: <html metal:define-macro="master"> <body> <table> <tr><td colspan="2"></td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td> <span metal:define-slot="main">Document goes here</span> </td> </tr> <tr><td colspan="2"></td></tr> </table> </body> </html> Then, create a template in the skin called document_view: <html metal:use-macro="here/masterNav.html/macros/master"> <head> <title tal:content="template/title">The title</title> </head> <body metal:fill-slot="main"> <span tal:replace="here/CookedBody">Document goes here</span> </body> </html> We use this, for example, for a system that uploads press-releases in an HTML format into a Plone Folder via FTP. The default view (equivalent of index_html in CMF) is set up to use the document_view template that we set up in our skin, which means the document is automatically wrapped in a navigation. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Bin Zhang [mailto:bzhang@hawaii.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:04 PM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope] Newbie: automatic template? I am new to Zope. I wonder if this is possible: First create a folder and create a page template using either DTML or ZPT, something like this: <standard header> <standard navigation> Page content <standard footer> 2. page authors upload standard html files to the folder (via ftp or webdav). 3. When viewed from the browser, the template is automatically applied to all uploaded files. If this is possible, how can it be done? Thanks for any pointers. Bin _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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pb avec MYSQL DA ET DB
by veronique 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

I've downloaded my MySQL DA but Zope can't seem to find MySQL on my system (Zope and MySQL are installed in different directories). Is there someplace I can add a command so that Zope will look outside of its immediate vicinity? Judging by the messages, it's not looking very far afield: File /home/nancy/Zope-2.5.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 531 , in import_product File /home/nancy/Zope-2.5.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/__init__.p y, line 91, in ? File /home/nancy/Zope-2.5.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/DA.py, lin e 92, in ? File /home/nancy/Zope-2.5.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/db.py, lin e 89, in ? ImportError: No module named _mysql Thanks. merci pour votre reponse je suis debutante

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Newbie: automatic template?
by Bin Zhang 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

I am new to Zope. I wonder if this is possible: First create a folder and create a page template using either DTML or ZPT, something like this: <standard header> <standard navigation> Page content <standard footer> 2. page authors upload standard html files to the folder (via ftp or webdav). 3. When viewed from the browser, the template is automatically applied to all uploaded files. If this is possible, how can it be done? Thanks for any pointers. Bin

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RE: [Zope] Re: Java re-invents DTML :-)
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

With practical experience on multi-person teams with tech people and design people with both DTML and ZPT, I can easily say this is just plain wrong. Document structure is best expressed and most portable in XML. There are less unknown factors in XML because the rules are clear. Coding XHTML (or even HTML) in ZPT scales better because there is less magic, and a clearer separation between code and design. I know you can do almost as well in well-written DTML, but this leads to problems in the real world (read: hacks that mess with this separation). Also, ZPT can do non-HTML non-XML content fine, you just need to be careful about whitespace if that matters (as you do in dtml). See Chris W's argument here. It's damn awful to try and have a designer/interface-developer try to redesign a site that has interface code built in DTML. It's especially awful if you are the person that has to give them tech support and pray they do not break the code by changing the presentation. DTML just doesn't scale to non-techies or content people who are talented at HTML, but not 'programming.' Sean -----Original Message----- From: Terry Hancock [mailto:hancock@anansispaceworks.com] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: Java re-invents DTML :-) On Monday 17 February 2003 09:01 am, Chris Withers wrote: > Kevin Carlson wrote: > > Come on folks. There's nothing wrong with supporting two templating > > languages. Quite honestly, dtml is much easier to learn for most and > > has it's place in application development DTML has worked pretty much flawlessly for me. I have *NEVER* encountered any of the bugaboos about obfuscation or excessive code in it that have been claimed to be its faults. I use it in an admittedly complex presentation layer, and it provides excellent support for everything I need to do there. Python does the heavy lifting just fine, and I see no reason to change this part of my design. > ...not unless some of its major current flaws are corrected. I think this is > possible but I don't see the point of having two templating languages for one > app server especially as we're now getting to the stage where you need to know > _both_ before you can do anything useful with Zope :-( Okay, I'm game, let's give ZPT the boot. It's a much more specialized language (HTML documents *only*), looks *really* obfuscated. Stuffs all its code into HTML attributes which is great for hiding the code away, but awful if you want to see the document structure. DTML and Python work fine together, and are capable of handling the whole range of tasks I need. ZPT+Python cannot. So ZPT is neither necessary nor sufficient. Terry -- Terry Hancock ( hancock at anansispaceworks.com ) Anansi Spaceworks http://www.anansispaceworks.com _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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RE: [Zope-dev] zope connector
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

I've moved this to zope(a)zope.org instead of zope-dev... You want ZEO, but you want to run it over a dedicated VPN between your 2 locations, for security purposes. You want to have objects accessable to 2 zopes. And you really can't do this very easily without use of (a) ZEO, or (b) some sort of web-services (lots of work using XML-RPC or something like that). You can't do distributed objects well in Zope with any other way, AFAIK. DBTab only makes sense as a way to mount a ZEO storage, without ZEO it makes no sense. If you can't go the ZEO route, and therefore can't share objects, you need to look into another way to share more raw data between your Zope instances (i.e. XML-RPC, HTTP scraping, Relational Database, etc). If you just need to sync data occasionally, you could also look at ZSyncer. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Tena Sakai [mailto:tena.sakai.b@bayer.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:33 PM To: sean.upton(a)uniontrib.com Cc: zope-dev(a)zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] zope connector Many thanks, Sean. Your idea sounds interesting and require more investigation on my part. I need to write application on a remote zope server (via wan, not part of our domain, but an extranet site) to access database tables on my domain. I don't think the other server has ZEO running. (Neither do I, but I can do it since zope server is mine.) The other side may so "No," in which case would I still be able to do what you say with DBTab? Ie., without ZEO on the other side? Thank you. Tena Sakai sean.upton@uniont rib.com To: tena.sakai.b(a)bayer.com, zope-dev(a)zope.org Sent by: cc: zope-dev-admin@zo Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] zope connector pe.org 02/18/2003 02:14 PM Use ZEO and DBTab and a shared mounted object database that both Zope instances have access to. Put any objects that need to be accessed by both Zope servers in that common storage mounted at some folder-level in your zope setup. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Tena Sakai [mailto:tena.sakai.b@bayer.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:56 PM To: zope-dev(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope-dev] zope connector Folks, I am interested in accessing resorcces from two or more zope servers. For example, <br> hahaha! <br> <dtml-var name=funny> <br> hohoho! <br> The code snippet above will, when rendered, yield: hahaha! hehehe! hohoho! provided that the entity funny ultamately returns hehehe! and accessible within the name space. But how could I do this if the object funny is on a different zope server? Ie., how can I connect two name spaces on different zope servers in some not-so-caotic fasion? Thanks in advance. Regards, Tena Sakai _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )

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Query on LocalFileSystem objects.
by Paul Naveen Raj Jeyaraj 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

Hi, What is the meta_type for objects that are stored under a Local File System object? Also how do I get the URL of the files stored?(anything like <dtml-var absolute_url> available)? Please help. Regards, Paul.

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RE: [Zope] Superfast PageTemplates: Call for expertise
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

I think, in theory, you can do ESI in Zope now, you just need to use a patched Squid in front of Zope, use well-formed XHTML with embedded ESI, and set appropriate HTTP headers (Surrogate control header) manually so that ESI is parsed on the client-connection end of Squid. I haven't used this, but I bet this would work. I think the only requirement is well-formed xml for your templates. What future Zope versions would theoretically add is a way to detect esi usage in a ZPT and set the header for you automatically. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Dylan Reinhardt [mailto:zope@dylanreinhardt.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:10 PM To: sean.upton(a)uniontrib.com Cc: zope(a)zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope] Superfast PageTemplates: Call for expertise At 02:55 PM 2/18/2003, sean.upton(a)uniontrib.com wrote: >In know this is purely speculation, but what about caching page-templates in >some intermediate format like ESIS, and writing a lexical scanner for the >TALES structure in C/Flex with callbacks to Python for code evaluation and >object traversal? You could probably do 90% of that by stuffing layout fragments into RAM Caches and Session data... and then you could assemble the whole thing on the fly using DTML... oh, wait. :-) More seriously, it'll be great when the ZC/Squid ESI project becomes available. That should serve this purpose nicely. Dylan _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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RE: [Zope] Re: Java re-invents DTML :-)
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

What you need to keep in mind, though, is the following: - For most html coders, path-based expressions are easier to grasp. The suggestion that DTML support this is actually quite a good idea, but as it is now, it doesn't. - Lower risk: code people have less worry about code being messed with by those that design. - Excessive tagging (dtml-with) for namespace traversal is confusing to non-programmers, who do not understand the intricacies of namespaces. A path is much more natural. - Most HTML developers do not validate their code. ZPT forces well-formed code to be used, and HTML developers not to have bad habits. - ZPT is well-documented for starters, but only if you know where to start looking. I have photocopies of the Dr. Dobbs article by Amos on ZPT (DDJ, Feb. 2002. I have used whiteout to correct one code-snippet typo on p. 69). I'm pretty sure that CMP sells back-issues of DDJ, it's worth geting a copy. Designers new to ZPT can look through this article to get a pretty quick start, IMHO. - ZPT is better for the interaction between coders and designers - both ways. I as a coder need to sometimes put a bit of functionality into a template, but I don't want to break the design. ZPT prevents techies from breaking design work. All these things considered, even if DTML is better for some individuals, ZPT is a better bet for an organization with diverse players and team projects. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lewis [mailto:michael@nichestaffing.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:43 PM To: sean.upton(a)uniontrib.com Cc: hancock(a)anansispaceworks.com; zope(a)zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope] Re: Java re-invents DTML :-) On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 14:41, sean.upton(a)uniontrib.com wrote: > DTML just doesn't scale > to non-techies or content people who are talented at HTML, but not > 'programming.' > > Sean > Being exactly what you are referring to, ie: someone who knows html, but not programming, I have to disagree. I tried Zope initially BECAUSE of it's tag based scripting language. I found it very easy to learn, and granted, I have encountered some syntax issues that were a problem for a while, but searching on zope.org and asking for direction from list members, everything has worked out just fine. I constructed 26 virtual sites with Zope and DTML. I have also looked at ZPT and found it rather confusing. I guess maybe it's just the way I'm wired or how I process information, in any case, since we're not all the same, I feel that continuing to offer both solutions would be the most appropriate course. I have never experienced any thing weird in using DTML except for using a dtml-in inside sendmail. Thanks to Dylan, that was easily fixed in a couple of minutes. Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Hancock [mailto:hancock@anansispaceworks.com] > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: Java re-invents DTML :-) > > > On Monday 17 February 2003 09:01 am, Chris Withers wrote: > > Kevin Carlson wrote: > > > Come on folks. There's nothing wrong with supporting two templating > > > languages. Quite honestly, dtml is much easier to learn for most and > > > has it's place in application development > > DTML has worked pretty much flawlessly for me. I have *NEVER* encountered > any > of the bugaboos about obfuscation or excessive code in it that have been > claimed to be its faults. I use it in an admittedly complex presentation > layer, and it provides excellent support for everything I need to do there. > Python does the heavy lifting just fine, and I see no reason to change this > part of my design. > > > ...not unless some of its major current flaws are corrected. I think this > is > > possible but I don't see the point of having two templating languages for > one > > app server especially as we're now getting to the stage where you need to > know > > _both_ before you can do anything useful with Zope :-( > > Okay, I'm game, let's give ZPT the boot. It's a much more specialized > language (HTML documents *only*), looks *really* obfuscated. Stuffs all its > code into HTML attributes which is great for hiding the code away, but awful > > if you want to see the document structure. DTML and Python work fine > together, and are capable of handling the whole range of tasks I need. > ZPT+Python cannot. > > So ZPT is neither necessary nor sufficient. > > Terry > > -- > Terry Hancock ( hancock at anansispaceworks.com ) > Anansi Spaceworks http://www.anansispaceworks.com > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Michael Lewis <michael(a)nichestaffing.com> NicheStaffing.com

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ZPT and DTML -- the saga continues
by Kevin Carlson 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

If all the excitement around ZPT was channeled into creating decent documentation instead of bashing DTML in this group, that might win more converts. Just to clear up one argument regarding DTML and ZPT. It has been said that you need to learn both. Not true. I developed several applications in DTML exclusively without ever needing to look at ZPT. If this community really wants to get people to use ZPT, efforts to properly document the language by those who are most familiar with it would be the most effective. :-) Kevin

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Re: [Zope] Where is Zope toolkit??
by Jaroslav Lukesh 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

| Odesílatel: ABOUREIMA(a)bceao.int | How could I find the zope toolkit which allow me to insert easily button | and menu in a DTML Document or a zope document? Eh... Zope is not Frontpage, Dreamweaver nor GoLive. Zope is only software platform - framework, where you are developing your own web application. So you need first to understand Zope. If you want something handy tool to make website, you could use plone, www.plone.org. Regards JL.

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