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Zope 'Best Practices'?
by Steve McMahon 08 Jan '01

08 Jan '01

Is there anything like a Zope 'Best Practices' document or Wiki? One that would encourage use of certain practices, DTML idioms or products, and warn of practices, idioms or products that are known to cause problems down the line or are slated for extinction? I ask this as a new user who's bewildered by the array of Zope tools and products. So, I read of a practice or Product and think 'wow, that's great!' But I have no idea whether it's in common usage and destined to become part of the core, or is headed for replacement or extinction. Thanks! Steve McMahon _________________________________________ Steve McMahon, SunType Publishing Systems steve(a)suntype.com voice & fax: (530) 757-7682 http://www.suntype.com

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Re: [Zope] UserFolder Alternate Login
by Dieter Maurer 07 Jan '01

07 Jan '01

dlee(a)usol.com writes: > I need functionality that none of the UserManagers seem to address. I > need to allow a user to elect to log in (and set > AUTHENTICATED_USER) as opposed to have them access a restricted > resource to trigger cookie authentication. Maybe, I do not understand you. But it appears to me that this is the behaviour of *all* cookie based UserFolder implementations, including GUF. GUF, especially as a "login" method which allows you to log in at will. It pops up the usual login dialog and after you provided login information and submitted the form, it calls "login_success" (which happens to be priviledged). However, after your login, *any* access of a page governed by the GUF with authenticate the user and set the cookie, whether or not the page is protected or not. Only is your "login" form action goes to a resource which is not goverend by the GUF (i.e. above in the hierarchy or in a different subpath), then the login information is lost. Dieter

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Re: [Zope] Core Session Tracking kudos & namespaces
by Bob Sidebotham 07 Jan '01

07 Jan '01

--- Somebody wrote: > > Of course, the best solution would be for the 'magic' lookup to be > > optional... Alright, I've not a zope master, but isn't this already provided generically with: <dtml-with SESSION only> All these arguments leave me a little confused: As a newbie, I read the zope book, and it tells me all these wonderful things about feeding alligators with ostriches, and the like, and I assume this is meant to be universal, and just assume that all names are supposed to behave in this manner. But Chris seems to be saying that *because you've had flack about this model* maybe a new feature shouldn't use it. Forgive me if I'm paraphrasing you incorrectly. So the question I have is this--if there's a basic problem with zope's acquisition semantics (as some posts on this list would indicate at least some people believe), then is the right fix for new features to avoid acquisition, or would it be better to figure out what is good and what is bad and bite the bullet and get rid of the bad? Chris keeps saying that it would be hard to explain the semantics. But if zope is worth learning, shouldn't these semantics be explainable totally generically? Why should they have to be separately documented just for session variables? What is really special about session variables (other than that they can be written to)? As an aside, how did zope even get this far without session variables? I'm very confused... And finally, *even* if the session variables are kept in a private space, I'd at least like some way to make them public using some generic pre-processing. But I don't see how to do that, because if I stick a dtml-with, for instance, into generic header code (included, for example, by standard-html-header, then this with statement is required to be *closed* when I edit it). That is, I think the <dtml-with> has to be paired, in the header, with a </dtml-with>. What Zen am I missing here? How do you guys do this sort of thing? No doubt most of the above is due to newbie confusion, not due to design issues in zope... Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/

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LoginManager with SQL and Skinscript: adding properties to propertysheet propertysheet
by Aaron Payne 07 Jan '01

07 Jan '01

Hi all, I am following Dan Pierson's How-To SQL LoginManager with SQL and Skinscript. I am not able to add properties. I created LoginManager:LoginUser subclassed zclass def for a user with a propertysheet Basic. It had properties password and email. The LM methods I tested failed so I deleted the properties. Now I want to add them again. When I try I get: for password Invalid property id, password. It is in use. for email: Invalid property id, email. It is in use. I also deleted the entire propertysheet and tried to add the props but the same error occured. I can add new props but not ones that were deleted earlier. Is there a way around this problem? Zope 2.2.1 System Platform: freebsd4 -Aaron

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dtml
by nando n 07 Jan '01

07 Jan '01

i want to know as much as possible about dtml. what is its purpose??? i really wanna know that answer. cause i have to do dtml like preprocessor for ASP in visual basic. could you give me as many urls of dtml sites and real dtml site examples? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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"Stable" session-product for productive-site?
by sven 06 Jan '01

06 Jan '01

Hello, what is a good and stable session-product for a productive-site(i.e. it shouldn't break down under traffic!). I know of HappySession,Cookieless,FSSession and SQl-session(are there others and which should I use?). Thanks!

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SQLs from Python strings
by Lee 06 Jan '01

06 Jan '01

On first impressions this may look like a homework assignment question but I can assure you it isn't! I'm having difficulty trying to explain this (hence the strange subject line ;-) but I hope someone can offer me some advice... I have four attributes (A, B, C, D) and each is an integer say, between 0 and 9. I need a method to create a table with the following columns: Name Age [if A=3] then A1, A2, A3 [if B=1] then B1 i.e. if A=3 and B=1 and C & D =0 then 6 columns will be created. I already have the code (well, the logic) to do this but what is the best way to do it. ZSQL methods can't handle such logic, right? I was thinking maybe passing the parameters into a python method to build a "CREATE TABLE..." string... but can this be used to actually execute the query? I don't know if I have explained this well enough. Here's the logic (no particular language and A,B,C,D = P,T,A,B) int p = PRACTICALS; int t = TUTORIALS; int a = ASSIGNMENTS; int b = BONUS; string classAndCode = CLASSCODE; String createDB = "CREATE TABLE " + classAndCode + " ( " while (p != 0) { String createDB = create DB + "p" + p + "integer, " // e.g. p0, p1, p2, etc. p = p-1; } while (t != 0) { String createDB = create DB + "t" + t + "varchar, " t = t-1; } ... etc Okay, say I have a python method, which returns an String (an SQL CREATE TABLE statement). How could I execute this? Thanks very much in advance. Lee PS: Alex, I managed to get the COUNT var to work. The solution was simply a good night's sleep and a large mug of coffee in the morning. Cheers :) -- Lee Reilly mailto:lee.reilly@ntlworld.com http://www.footkick.co.uk/lee

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Creating a Database connection.
by Spicklemire, Jerry 06 Jan '01

06 Jan '01

Darren wrote: > I am very new to the Zope idea. I like what Zope is trying > to do. But I am trying to set up an external SQL database > connection While it would be ideal for one set of instructions to serve every possible requirement, in reality it will be best for you to provide as much detail as you can about the specific scenario you are facing. For starters: What Operating System will Zope be hosted on? What Database "backend" do you need to connect to? Will the Database be resident on the same system as Zope? If not, what Operating System will be hosting the Database? Get back to the list with the answers, and anything else you think might help, plus what you have already tried, that hasn't worked. Later, Jerry S.

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Serious BUG in Export. ==> pb of lost inheritance if export / reimport.
by Thierry Nabeth 06 Jan '01

06 Jan '01

Hello, I would like to mention a very serious bug (for me), that prevent to use inheritance between two classes defined in two different package, if you have to export and reimport those packages. In a previous mail I mentionned a problem of Inheritance lost between packages. I spent a lot of time investigating the problem, and in particular looking in the export file (xml version). First here is the test: Phase 1: create the products and the classes. Create a product PA Create a class A in the product PA. Create a method "test" in class A. (this method display "before"). Create a product PB Create a class B in the product PB which inherits from A. Create an instance a of A. Create an instance b of B. Phase 2: test the inheritance. ==> everything works fine Executing the method "test" on those two instances return. a.test ==> "before" b.test ==> "before" The result is correct. Phase 3: export / reimport product PB, and modify methode "test". Export the product PB. (PB.zexp is generated) Delete the product PB and restart zope. Import the product PB (PB.zexp) and restart zope. Modify the method "test" in class A.. (this method display "after"). Phase 4: test the inheritance. ==> B does not work correctly. Executing the method "test" on those two instances return. a.test ==> "after" b.test ==> "before" ####### this is incorect. !!!!!! I spent a lot of time investing this problem, in particular looking in the xml export file. The problem is that when you export PB, the exported file also contain the definition of class A. When you re-import PB, B inherits from a class A that is different from the class A that is in the product PA. You have a kind of Zombie class A. (note: reimporting class A doesn't solve the problem). If someone has some idea how to fix this bug which almost forbid the use of inheritance between products in zope (unless you have a master server that never import anything) ?! Thierry Nabeth Research Fellow, INSEAD CALT (The Centre for Advanced Learning Technologies) http://www.insead.edu/CALT/ Thierry.Nabeth(a)insead.fr

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