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On DTML and Python Script
by Phill Hugo 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Jason Leach pointed out that Document Template could include ASP/PHP style Python escapes to embed code. This may seem a good idea at first but part of the really nice thing about Zope is that it goes a fair way to ensure you organise your work cleanly and seperate logic from the layout. In PHP I always use FastTemplate which offers pretty much only what <dtml-var VARIABLE_NAME> does (that doesn't include <dtml-var "VAR1+VAR2"> or anything "clever"). The benefit of having no logic in your HTML is huge when you have multiple people working on the project. The "creep" of template systems to hold more and more logic such as Loops, Conditions etc is forgivable as it allows basic programming to be done by the HTML people but strictly it isn't necessary as long a variable insertion / tag replacement is possible. If you are "having to [use] all those dtml tags" then you're probably at the point where replacing that big chunk with <dtml-var welcomeMessage> is in order. This could be anything you want (Python method, External Method, DTML method etc) which does the real logic and conditionally returns its output to the master template (that content possibly from another smaller, reused DTML method - it amazing how many sites use the same text all over it (like Next 10, Prev 10 for example!). At that point you've removed any fear of the HTML people walking over your code with a bulldozer and it means they can update things while you do. What I'm suggesting is that <%, <?php and <%py are Bad Things. If you want them, use ASP with Python hosted inside or PHP. Much of the benefit of Zope is that it keeps things elegant. The overhead of splitting things up so much is small when you start to reuse the bits (by my milage this is on regular occasion). Even the <dtml-if>, <dtml-in> and <dtml-let> tags could be argued to be Bad Things but they are convenient in some cases (they are easy for HTML writers to understand and can be used for simple things by them). I don't really see the "convenience" of a Python code escape as its just as easy to make a Python Method and pop <dtml-var MyPythonMethod> in its place keeping things neat. Still, I suppose it'd hardly matter if it was available, those who agree with the above would probably ignore it, much as I ignore it in PHP and use FastTemplate instead. Phill

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On DTML and Python Script.
by Harris Peter 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Jason Leach writes... >Message: 9 >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) >From: "Jason C. Leach" <jleach(a)mail.ocis.net> >To: zope(a)zope.org >Subject: [Zope] On DTML and Python Script. > >hi, > >For Christmas I'd like a way to be able to use PHP or ASP type scripting >rather than DTML. > >like: > >%py> > >My python Script or Code. > ><py% > >Or ><dtml> > >My DTML. > ></dtml> > >Having to manager all those dtml <> and tags is not as good as it could >be. I suspect it's more of a deturant than anything else. I do agree that >DMTL should be use as little as possible with Python used for anything >over 10 lines. But why have a scripting language for both methods over >and under 10 lines? > >j. > >...................... >..... Jason C. Leach >... University College of the Cariboo. Yekk, no ! I use Progress WebSpeed at work. Webspeed does something similar to what you suggest, only with Progress 4GL embedded in the HTML between certain tags. This is OK at first, but it often gets ugly, especially where you are jumping in and out of 4GL just to do simple conditionals or iterations that DTML makes not too painful with <dtml-if> and <dtml-in>. OK, I am one of those poor fools who is trying to do too much in DTML. But it's not too bad as long as you factor it out well and keep any messy code in DTML methods rather than mixed in with your HTML. Just my opinion, though. Peter Harris **************************************************************************** This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential. The contents may not be disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please delete the message and notify JBB (Greater Europe) Plc immediately on 0141-249-6285. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of JBB (Greater Europe) PLC. As it has been transmitted over a public network, JBB (Greater Europe) PLC makes no representation nor accepts any liability for the email's accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary. Should you, as the intended recipient, suspect that the message has been intercepted or amended, please notify JBB (Greater Europe) Plc immediately on 0141-249-6285. ****************************************************************************

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Re: [Zope] Editing SQL methods from Emacs (+ FTP server)?
by Anthony Baxter 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

>>> Anthony Baxter wrote > I added a patch for ftp-enabling SQL Methods to either the collector > or the zopeshell patch manager on sourceforge (I forget which right > now, and it's late and I'm going to bed right now...) If you can't > find it, email me and I'll dig it up. Ok, found it: http://sourceforge.net/patch/download.php?id=101925 Ignore that note at the top saying it needs other patches, this should work by itself fine. Anthony

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Running Zope
by Norm LaDuke 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Can anyone out there tell me why anyone would use a product whose tutorial won't even run. You guys are either INFINITELY more patient than I or you all have WAY too much time on your hands. I'm about 7 hours into this thing and we do finally have zope up and running but of course the tutorial doesn't work. Requires you to put in an ID then blows up and goes no further. What a piece of garbage!!!! (Does my frustration show??)

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Dreamweaver
by Yvonne Totty 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

I heard a nasty rumor that Dreamweaver could be made to use Zope. Is this true? If so, how do I do it? TIA Yvonne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yvonne Totty Database Engineer ------------------------- Wolverine: You actually go outside in these things? Cyclops: Well, what would you prefer? Yellow spandex?

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Re: [Zope] What difference between subclassing from OFS:Folder and ObjectManager
by Jim Welch 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

You can get both if you derive from ObjectManager and then use the "Subobjects" tab in the Zope management interface. "Stefan H. Holek" <stefan(a)epy.co.at> writes: > Deriving from OFS:Folder will only give you global meta types in the > Addbox, whereas deriving from ObjectManager will only give you the > included ZClasses. I have not yet found a way to have both ;(

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Sort broken on zope.org site...
by Darin Lee 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Zopistas, Following up on my question yesterday, regarding sorting on the results columns of keyword/text based searches, I have noticed that if I do a text search on the zope.org site and then try to sort on a column - the same error comes up: Error type: TypeError Error value: loop over non-sequence I looked through the collector - but couldn't find anything related to this issue. Does anyone have any insight on how to fix this? Thanks, -Darin Lee

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What difference between subclassing from OFS:Folder and ObjectManager
by Dirksen 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

What is the difference between subclassing from OFS:Folder and ObjectManager? Is it the ONLY difference that the ObjectManager is able to limit kinds of object to contain? Dirksen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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Problems with list?
by Tony McDonald 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

I've had no email from this list since Friday at 06:50am. Is there anything wrong with it? Tone -- Dr Tony McDonald, Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/ The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 222 5116 A Zope list for UK HE/FE http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope

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RE: [Zope] FTP in HTML-Kit? Sussed it!
by Paul Browning 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Like others I was a bit puzzled as to how to Save As FTP in HTML-Kit. I've just downloaded build 290 and got it all working (the stuff may have lain undiscovered in earlier verions - RTFM .....). The keys to cracking it are: 1. Go Workspace -> Add FTP Server/Folder -> Add FTP Server. Do the obvious (all familiar to Homesite users). A blue coloured ftp source will appear in the File pane on the RHS. Expand/collapse trees to navigate to the file you want to open. 2. Right-click and "Open As Text". Haven't yet fathomed the significance of this as opposed to other options. What I do know is that "Save" then does the business - saves it back to your FTP source. As a 24-day-old (6 days to go ....) Homesite evaluation user I'm really, really impressed so far with HTML-Kit. My thanks to Phil Harris et al for the tip. Paul -- The Library, Tyndall Avenue, Univ. of Bristol, Bristol, BS8 1TJ, UK E-mail: paul.browning(a)bris.ac.uk URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/

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