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RE: [Zope] Questions about Zope strategy
by Michel Pelletier 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Alexandre Ratti [mailto:ratti@dial.oleane.com] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:34 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Questions about Zope strategy > > > Hello, > > - Context > Creating and feeding the site will largely be carried out by voluntary > workers (many Mac users, also Windows users). The site would > probably run > with Apache on a Linux box at a provider. Delegating managment is one of Zope more powerful features. > - Setup > This organization doesn't have a permanent Internet access. > Site creation > will be carried out locally on an NT box. However, site > management and text > update would need to be carried out over dial-up connections > (33600 bps > modem; 64000 ISDN connections at best) when the site is online. > => Do you feel that the slow access could be a major problem? I work with zope over a 56K modem (really about 38K) all the time. The Zope managment interface is very light weight (which is why it's somewhat spartan looking, some people complain that it's ugly, but it's also small and fast for this very reason) > When updating the pages they could export them to HTML, > modify them locally > and reimport them into the database later using Upload. > => Is this OK? AFAIK it's not possible to export to HTML an > existing page > content without rendering it. I guess I'd need to create a > Python script. You lost me here. It's not that complicated, you can edit pages directly on the server through the managment interface or through FTP. > - General database maintenance could be carried out by a couple of > "techies" in the organization. However, text changes may also > be carried > out by people with little or no previous experience in HTML coding. We > would train them but I'd like to keep things as simple as > possible. In some > cases I may use forms to guide text entry. Sign up as a member at http://www.zope.org and see how easy it is. If it isn't easy enough for your 'non-techies', then you should look into alternatives. > - XML question: I've seen that add-on products are available > to import XML > into the database. Is it possible to store an XML file into a single > document file and to render it to HTML? I suppose Python > scripts are needed. No Python neccesary. Just Amos's XMLDocument Product. -Michel

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Re: [Zope] Transactions support on MySql
by Christopher Petrilli 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

>> How can I do database transaction controls(set autocommit on/off, commit >> transaction, etc) myself? > > A correctly written DA will start a transaction when the database is first This is important to note. All DAs must support the transaction semantics, regardless of whether the underlying RDBMS support transactions. You should *never* under any circumstances try and modify the style in which transactions are committed at the Zope level. The choices are made for very specific and conscious reasons, and changing it could cause catastrophic corruption of data :-) (that's a bit of an overstatement, but don't do it). Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli Python Powered Digital Creations, Inc. | petrilli(a)digicool.com http://www.digicool.com

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ObjectManager-derived ZClasses problem
by Petru Paler 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

Hello all, This might have been asked before (but the mailman archives are gone): I have a problem with ObjectManager-derived ZClasses. Scenario (using names from the ZClass tutorial): create a ZClass named CDCollection derived from ObjectManager, and inside that create a ZClass named CD. Now add a CDCollection. If you try to add a CD inside that, you get a not-so-nice "Resource not found" error (traceback included). Any ideeas ? overly-confused-ly yours, -Petru

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Questions about Zope strategy
by Alexandre Ratti 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

Hello, I just discovered Zope and I'm impressed with its potential. I am considering using Zope to create and manage a Web site for a smaller French human rights organization. You'll find below questions about Zope "strategy". I went over much of the Zope docs; now I'd like to have feedback from experienced Zope users so that I can build a strong case. - Context Creating and feeding the site will largely be carried out by voluntary workers (many Mac users, also Windows users). The site would probably run with Apache on a Linux box at a provider. Content creation for the site is almost finished. The site will contain about 400 HTML pages. It will be fairly text-intensive. We use a preprocessor; this would make it easier to prepare the pages when moving to Zope. - Setup This organization doesn't have a permanent Internet access. Site creation will be carried out locally on an NT box. However, site management and text update would need to be carried out over dial-up connections (33600 bps modem; 64000 ISDN connections at best) when the site is online. => Do you feel that the slow access could be a major problem? I'd expect people to enter smaller text changes online. When adding pages I think they could create the pages with a Wysiwyg editor (eg. DreamWeaver) and import them into the database later. I'd need to find some way to add the header and footer markers (in a template in the editor, maybe). When updating the pages they could export them to HTML, modify them locally and reimport them into the database later using Upload. => Is this OK? AFAIK it's not possible to export to HTML an existing page content without rendering it. I guess I'd need to create a Python script. - General database maintenance could be carried out by a couple of "techies" in the organization. However, text changes may also be carried out by people with little or no previous experience in HTML coding. We would train them but I'd like to keep things as simple as possible. In some cases I may use forms to guide text entry. - XML question: I've seen that add-on products are available to import XML into the database. Is it possible to store an XML file into a single document file and to render it to HTML? I suppose Python scripts are needed. - We may add other features later such as a restricted members area and a database link. That's it. If you see any glaring misconceptions I'd be really glad to hear about them. Thanks for your time. Alexandre

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Re: [Zope-dev] __init__.py does not work
by Phillip J. Eby 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

At 06:15 PM 9/27/99 +0800, Victor Zhai wrote: > >import Person > >from ImageFile import ImageFile Try: from Person import Person,manage_addUserDb,manage_addUserDbForm Also, your meta_types dictionary says 'manage_addPersonDbForm' when it should say 'manage_addUserDbForm'. Hope that helps.

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IE file upload problems
by Rik Hoekstra 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

We are building a system in which users can upload all sorts of files to a zope database; they do not have access to the management screens. Nothing spectacular so far. Now it appears that in _some_ installations of Internet Explorer (but not all) for whatever reason uploaded files are stripped of their extension, so that foo.doc becomes foo. to Zope. This makes the documents end up with a content type property of apllication/octet-stream (or something alike) and clicking on the document prompts for a download instead of opening a word viewer. SOme questions: - has anyone seen this before - what is causing this - how it can be solved (other than not using IE) I know there are ways to hack around this, but they are all either clumsy or complicated. Rik

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RE: [Zope-dev] Re: Transaction support on MySQL
by Rik Hoekstra 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

> The link to the PDF-pages of Andy Robinson is > http://www.robanal.demon.co.uk/pdfgen/index.html > > He has the goal to make PDFgen a powerful report generation library > besides various other uses. It's pure python and at the moment not > constraint by a commercial license. Better check with Andy about > future changes. > Ah, excellent. So much for pdf generation. While we're on the subject of pdf - does anyone know about (python) tools to extract information from a pdf document apart from ps2text (so that they become searchable from within ZCatalog, and I do not have take resort to MS IndexServer, which is less than comfortable)? Rik

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permissions
by Andy Pahne 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

At the moment I am setting up the security and permissions stuff for an intranet site. Can anybody tell me the difference beetween "view" and "Access content information"? Andy

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Force "login"/authentication?
by Steen Suder 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

I'd like to have a button on my in my site where managers can login and, thus, get out of the anonymous role. The link shall not have <a href="manage"> in it. It shall just popup a login box (like entering manage), gets you authenticated and then leave you on the page you came from. Is there a DTML function that do this? -- Best regards / Mvh., Steen Suder Linux Systems Administrator Use "sfs @T sciatl DOD dk" for email

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RE: [Zope] A Modest Proposal
by Alex.Thomas＠dresdnerkb.com 27 Sep '99

27 Sep '99

It is indeed fortunate that you weren't picking on me as your points seem unrelated to anything I have posted. Regards Alex > <rant> > Now, I'm not picking on Alex specifically, here, but PLEASE, people, > could we 1) clip our responses to _exactly_ what we're commenting on > and not the 20KB of other crap that was in the message, and 2) maybe, > use paragraph breaks. Good English usage is _not_ optional, "just > because it's only the Net". > > It is _painful_ (and I mean this literally, I'm getting a > headache), to > read some of this stuff. I don't want to drop this list -- but it > generates as much traffic a day as _every other list I'm on, > combined_, > and that's like _7_ other mailing lists. > > And I'm sure I'm not alone. > > Let's all take the necessary 30 seconds to practive good mailing list > hygiene, could we? > </rant> > > Cheers, > -- jra > -- > Jay R. Ashworth > jra(a)baylink.com > Member of the Technical Staff Buy copies of The New > Hackers Dictionary. > The Suncoast Freenet Give them to all your friends. > Tampa Bay, Florida http://www.ccil.org/jargon/ > +1 813 790 7592 > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (To receive general Zope announcements, see: > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > For developer-specific issues, zope-dev(a)zope.org - > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > ########################################## This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. Access by any other party is unauthorised without the express written permission of the sender. If you have received this email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender on the number printed above, via the Dresdner Kleinwort Benson switchboard on +44 171 623 8000 or via e-mail return. Internet communications are not secure unless protected using strong cryptography. This email has been prepared using information believed by the author to be reliable and accurate, but Dresdner Kleinwort Benson makes no warranty as to accuracy or completeness. In particular Dresdner Kleinwort Benson does not accept responsibility for changes made to this email after it was sent. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Bank or its affiliates. They may be subject to change without notice. ##########################################

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