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Zope subscription activity
by Ken Manheimer 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

Here's a bit of incidental info about zope.org mailing list subscription that may (or may not) be interesting to some of us. I've been collating it weekly, using a python script i made to go through the mailman subscribers log. I suspect the charts are structured a bit unconventionally - it may take a bit of effort to understand what they're saying. The instructions are below - i'll just note a few key concepts: - Each entry (line for a week) indicates the change in subscription activity for that week. - The stuff in the '+' side indicates the *net* gain in subscriptions - those above the number that are cancelled out by unsubscriptions. (Instead there's a '-' side in those rare cases where unsubscriptions outnumber subscriptions.) - The stuff in the '.' side (either plus or minus) indicate balancing pairs of subscriptions and unsubscriptions - which rob recognized as being the "churn". - When necessary, the charts are normalized (to fit in the alloted space), in which case each tick represents more than a single subscription action. - The totals may not jibe with the actual subscribership of the represented lists because some of the lists predate the mailman subscribers log file (from which the stats are derived). I may someday spend a bit more time to log these things somewhere on the web site, for visits by anyone with interest (as they might web log displayers). Not immediately though - not high enough priority. (Pardon me if the chart formats are obscure - they're really tailored to my particular purposes, and may not be obvious in general...) (And pardon my mania for character graphics - i confess i really enjoy seeing what can be done within such wooly constraints...) -----.----- *>=====[_]L) (<= i dunno know who made it) -'-`- Ken Manheimer klm(a)digicool.com -=- -=- -=- These charts convey the flux in subscriptions of the following mailing lists: <All> zope zope-announce zope-dev zdp zope-packagers zope-checkins digicool-cvs How to read the charts: Each chart covers the weeks from the start of the mailman subscribers log to the current date. (Each week sample begins on sunday, so the first and last week samples may cover less than 7 days.) The curves themselves depict two things for each week: - The net gain or loss in subscriptions for the week, and - The "churn" in subscriptions, ie the number of new subscriptions that are cancelled by resignations All stats are indicated with character ticks around a centerline normalized for each graph: - Net gains are indicated by '+' sequences to the right of the centerline, - net losses by '-' characters to the left, and - churn by '.' sequences, on the opposite side from the week's net coup. The numeric magnitude of the respective gain/loss/churn is indicated by numbers at the extreme positions of the sequences. Since the sequences are normalized to fit in the width of a page, some of the ticks constitute more than a single subscription (gain/loss) or subscription pair (churn) - that factor is indicated with a note at the top of such graphs. It's important to note that the figures for the net changes are just the net - for a week with a net gain, the total number of subscriptions would equal the net plus the churn, while the number of unsubscriptions would be the same as that of the churn. Weekly, AGGREGATED subscription activity Total of 1918 subs, 721 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. ** Each tick represents ~ 2.8 items ** Aug 29, 1999... 52................+++++++++++++43 Aug 22, 1999... 34..........++++++++++++++++++++64 Aug 15, 1999... 36..........++++++++++++++++++++++++++++84 Aug 8, 1999... 24......+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++92 Aug 1, 1999... 52................+++++++++++++++++++++++++75 Jul 25, 1999... 28.......++++++++++++++++++++++++++79 Jul 18, 1999... 37...........+++++++++++++++++++++++++++83 Jul 11, 1999... 28.......+++++++++++++40 Jul 4, 1999... 36..........+++++20 Jun 27, 1999... 36..........++++15 Jun 20, 1999... 19....+++++++++31 Jun 13, 1999... 23......+++++++++++++44 Jun 6, 1999... 15...+++++++++++++44 May 30, 1999... 14..+++++++++++++40 May 23, 1999... 12..++++++++++++++47 May 16, 1999... 9..++++++++++++++45 May 9, 1999... 18....+++++++25 May 2, 1999... 21.....++++++22 Apr 25, 1999... 18....+++14 Apr 18, 1999... 10.++++++++28 Apr 11, 1999... 11.+++++20 Apr 4, 1999... 18....++12 Mar 28, 1999... 29........+4 Mar 21, 1999... 24......+5 Mar 14, 1999... 24......++++17 Mar 7, 1999... 16...+++++++++++++++++++58 Feb 28, 1999... 31........+++++++++++++42 Feb 21, 1999... 9..++++++++28 Feb 14, 1999... 14..++++++20 Feb 7, 1999... 6.+++++++++31 Jan 31, 1999... 14..++++15 Jan 24, 1999... 3.+10 ============================================================================= Weekly, zope subscription activity Total of 1156 subs, 495 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. ** Each tick represents ~ 1.5 items ** Aug 29, 1999... 32..................+++++++++17 Aug 22, 1999... 23.............++++++++++++++++++31 Aug 15, 1999... 25..............+++++++++++++++++++32 Aug 8, 1999... 15.......++++++++++++++++++++++37 Aug 1, 1999... 34....................+++++++++++++++++++++35 Jul 25, 1999... 23.............+++++++++++++24 Jul 18, 1999... 27...............+++++++++++19 Jul 11, 1999... 23.............++++++++++19 Jul 4, 1999... 25..............++++++12 Jun 27, 1999... 21...........+++++++13 Jun 20, 1999... 16........++++++++15 Jun 13, 1999... 16........+++++++++++++++++29 Jun 6, 1999... 13......+++++++++++++++++29 May 30, 1999... 9....++++++++++++++++27 May 23, 1999... 6..++++++++++++++++++30 May 16, 1999... 5..+++++++++++++++++++33 May 9, 1999... 15.......+++++++++17 May 2, 1999... 14.......+++++++14 Apr 25, 1999... 9....+++++10 Apr 18, 1999... 8....+++++++++17 Apr 11, 1999... 6..+++++++++16 Apr 4, 1999... 10....+++++11 Mar 28, 1999... 15.......+++6 Mar 21, 1999... 14.......+3 Mar 14, 1999... 15.......+++++11 Mar 7, 1999... 11.....++++++++++++++++++31 Feb 28, 1999... 19..........++++++++++++21 Feb 21, 1999... 9....+++++++++++++++++28 Feb 14, 1999... 14.......+++++++++++20 Feb 7, 1999... 6..+++++++++++++++++++31 Jan 31, 1999... 14.......+++++++15 Jan 24, 1999... 3.+++++8 ============================================================================= Weekly, zope-announce subscription activity Total of 245 subs, 13 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. ** Each tick represents ~ 1.3 items ** Aug 29, 1999... 6...+++++++++++++++22 Aug 22, 1999... 3.++++++++++++++22 Aug 15, 1999... 2.+++++++++++++++++25 Aug 8, 1999... .+++++++++++++++++++++31 Aug 1, 1999... 1.+++++++++++++++++++++++++35 Jul 25, 1999... 1.+++++++++++++++++++++++++36 Jul 18, 1999... .+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++60 Jul 11, 1999... .+1 Jul 4, 1999... .+ Jun 27, 1999... .+ Jun 20, 1999... .+ Jun 13, 1999... .+ Jun 6, 1999... .+ May 30, 1999... .+ May 23, 1999... .+ May 16, 1999... .+ May 9, 1999... .+ May 2, 1999... .+ Apr 25, 1999... .+ Apr 18, 1999... .+ Apr 11, 1999... .+ Apr 4, 1999... .+ Mar 28, 1999... .+ Mar 21, 1999... .+ Mar 14, 1999... .+ Mar 7, 1999... .+ Feb 28, 1999... .+ Feb 21, 1999... .+ Feb 14, 1999... .+ Feb 7, 1999... .+ Jan 31, 1999... .+ Jan 24, 1999... .+ ============================================================================= Weekly, zope-dev subscription activity Total of 282 subs, 180 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. Aug 29, 1999... 12..........+2 Aug 22, 1999... 6.....++++++++9 Aug 15, 1999... 6.....+++++6 Aug 8, 1999... 5....+++++++++++++15 Aug 1, 1999... 14............+ Jul 25, 1999... 4...++++++++9 Jul 18, 1999... 8.......+1 Jul 11, 1999... 4...+++++++++++13 Jul 4, 1999... 11.........+1 Jun 27, 1999... 3--........9 Jun 20, 1999... 3..+++++++++11 Jun 13, 1999... 3..+++++++++11 Jun 6, 1999... 2.++++++++9 May 30, 1999... 5....+++++6 May 23, 1999... 6.....++++++7 May 16, 1999... 2.++++++7 May 9, 1999... 3..++++5 May 2, 1999... 7......+++++6 Apr 25, 1999... 6.....+ Apr 18, 1999... 2.+++4 Apr 11, 1999... 4...+1 Apr 4, 1999... 5----..3 Mar 28, 1999... 8-------.....6 Mar 21, 1999... 4---.....6 Mar 14, 1999... 7......+1 Mar 7, 1999... 5....+++4 Feb 28, 1999... 6-----....5 Feb 21, 1999... .+ Feb 14, 1999... .+ Feb 7, 1999... .+ Jan 31, 1999... .+ Jan 24, 1999... .+ ============================================================================= Weekly, zdp subscription activity Total of 134 subs, 20 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. Aug 29, 1999... 2.+1 Aug 22, 1999... 1.+ Aug 15, 1999... 3..++++++++++++++16 Aug 8, 1999... 2.++3 Aug 1, 1999... 2.++3 Jul 25, 1999... .+++4 Jul 18, 1999... 1.+2 Jul 11, 1999... 1.+++4 Jul 4, 1999... .+2 Jun 27, 1999... 1.+++4 Jun 20, 1999... .+2 Jun 13, 1999... 2.+2 Jun 6, 1999... .+++4 May 30, 1999... .+++4 May 23, 1999... .++++++7 May 16, 1999... 2.+2 May 9, 1999... .+1 May 2, 1999... .+1 Apr 25, 1999... 2.+ Apr 18, 1999... .+++4 Apr 11, 1999... .+2 Apr 4, 1999... .+ Mar 28, 1999... .++3 Mar 21, 1999... .+ Mar 14, 1999... .+2 Mar 7, 1999... .++++++++++++++16 Feb 28, 1999... 1.+++++++++++++++++++++++25 Feb 21, 1999... .+ Feb 14, 1999... .+ Feb 7, 1999... .+ Jan 31, 1999... .+ Jan 24, 1999... .+ ============================================================================= Weekly, zope-packagers subscription activity Total of 12 subs, 0 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. Aug 29, 1999... .+ Aug 22, 1999... .+ Aug 15, 1999... .+ Aug 8, 1999... .+ Aug 1, 1999... .+ Jul 25, 1999... .+1 Jul 18, 1999... .+2 Jul 11, 1999... .+ Jul 4, 1999... .+ Jun 27, 1999... .+ Jun 20, 1999... .+1 Jun 13, 1999... .+ Jun 6, 1999... .+ May 30, 1999... .+ May 23, 1999... .+1 May 16, 1999... .+ May 9, 1999... .+ May 2, 1999... .+ Apr 25, 1999... .+1 Apr 18, 1999... .+1 Apr 11, 1999... .+ Apr 4, 1999... .++++5 Mar 28, 1999... .+ Mar 21, 1999... .+ Mar 14, 1999... .+ Mar 7, 1999... .+ Feb 28, 1999... .+ Feb 21, 1999... .+ Feb 14, 1999... .+ Feb 7, 1999... .+ Jan 31, 1999... .+ Jan 24, 1999... .+ ============================================================================= Weekly, zope-checkins subscription activity Total of 67 subs, 12 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. Aug 29, 1999... .+ Aug 22, 1999... 1.+1 Aug 15, 1999... .+++4 Aug 8, 1999... 1.+++4 Aug 1, 1999... 1.+ Jul 25, 1999... .+++4 Jul 18, 1999... 1-. Jul 11, 1999... .++3 Jul 4, 1999... .+++4 Jun 27, 1999... 2.+ Jun 20, 1999... .+1 Jun 13, 1999... 2.+2 Jun 6, 1999... .+2 May 30, 1999... .++3 May 23, 1999... .+2 May 16, 1999... .+1 May 9, 1999... .+2 May 2, 1999... .+1 Apr 25, 1999... 1.+1 Apr 18, 1999... .+2 Apr 11, 1999... 1.+1 Apr 4, 1999... .+1 Mar 28, 1999... .++3 Mar 21, 1999... .+++4 Mar 14, 1999... 2.++3 Mar 7, 1999... .+++++6 Feb 28, 1999... .+1 Feb 21, 1999... .+ Feb 14, 1999... .+ Feb 7, 1999... .+ Jan 31, 1999... .+ Jan 24, 1999... .+ ============================================================================= Weekly, digicool-cvs subscription activity Total of 20 subs, 1 unsubs, from 1999/01/24 to 1999/08/29 '+' = net gain - prevailing subscriptions, '-' = net loss - prevailing unsubscriptions, '.' = churn - mutually cancelling sub & unsub pairs. Aug 29, 1999... .+1 Aug 22, 1999... .+1 Aug 15, 1999... .+1 Aug 8, 1999... 1.+2 Aug 1, 1999... .+2 Jul 25, 1999... .+1 Jul 18, 1999... .+ Jul 11, 1999... .+ Jul 4, 1999... .+1 Jun 27, 1999... .+1 Jun 20, 1999... .+1 Jun 13, 1999... .+ Jun 6, 1999... .+ May 30, 1999... .+ May 23, 1999... .+ May 16, 1999... .+2 May 9, 1999... .+ May 2, 1999... .+ Apr 25, 1999... .+2 Apr 18, 1999... .+ Apr 11, 1999... .+ Apr 4, 1999... .+ Mar 28, 1999... .+ Mar 21, 1999... .+2 Mar 14, 1999... .+ Mar 7, 1999... .+1 Feb 28, 1999... .+1 Feb 21, 1999... .+ Feb 14, 1999... .+ Feb 7, 1999... .+ Jan 31, 1999... .+ Jan 24, 1999... .+ =============================================================================

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NEWBIE Question
by CURTIS David 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

Fiends of ZOPE, I see that ZOPE 2.0 is released. Can I use the current Database Adapters with Zope 2.0. I am especially interested in MYSQL and POSTREGESS. Currently I am running 1.10.3 with Python 1.5.1 and RedHat 6.0. Thanks in advance for any info.

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Re: [Zope] Another Question
by John Goerzen 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

"Kevin Dangoor" <kid(a)kendermedia.com> writes: > With Zope2, this is pretty easy, actually. You can make an Event ZClass that > has the properties you wish. You can then put these Events in a Folder > somewhere (let's say it's /events). In /events, you can make an index_html > DTML Method that looks something like this: Whoa there! What is a ZClass and how do I create one? I can't find any documentation on it, and it's not in the drop-down thing. Am I just missing some gold mine of documentation or is there really none on some of these things? While I'm at it, I did see the ZCatalog thing in the drop-down add box, but have no idea exactly what it does or how to use it. Thanks, John -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming jgoerzen(a)complete.org | Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Free powerful OS upgrade) www.debian.org | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ The 109,667,298th prime number is 2,245,790,011.

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Re: [Zope] Many Zope questions
by John Goerzen 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

"Kevin Dangoor" <kid(a)kendermedia.com> writes: > Zope knows what types objects are. For example, if you do: > <dtml-var "someDateProperty + 5" fmt="%m/%d/%y"> > you will get the date five days later than the date stored in the property. > > Likewise, if you do: > <dtml-var "someDateProperty + 'foo'"> > I believe you'll get an error. (not sure what adding a string to a date > would mean :) OK, I am confused. Where did you find these %m/%d/%y things? I am looking in Appendix A of the DTML guide and they aren't mentioned. I am trying to do this:  (substitute any other date thing for DayOfWeek) When I leave off fmt, the date is displayed, but it is ugly and with an unnecessary timezone, so I want to display it as I wish. when, BTW, comes from a gadfly database. When I try to view this, though, I get: Error Type: TypeError Error Value: not all arguments converted What am I doing wrong? > This is a fine question. I often look at the source code when I'm curious > about something and can't find docs on that specific topic. The Zope source > is very readable. Ahh. Well, I don't know Python. C, Perl, C++, etc., yes, but no Python. I guess I ought to learn it, eh? -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming jgoerzen(a)complete.org | Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Free powerful OS upgrade) www.debian.org | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ The 720,515th digit of pi is 2.

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Re: [Zope] Many Zope questions
by Kevin Dangoor 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

-----Original Message----- From: John Goerzen <jgoerzen(a)complete.org> To: Kevin Dangoor <kid(a)kendermedia.com> Cc: zope(a)zope.org <zope(a)zope.org> Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Many Zope questions >"Kevin Dangoor" <kid(a)kendermedia.com> writes: >> You would probably want to make the Quick Links bar a DTML Method. This >> makes it easy to include it wherever you wish. >> >> <dtml-var quicklinks> > >Ah ha! So any object (or at least documents and methods) can act as a >variable? Neat! The var tag actually renders whatever it is that you pass. It can render properties, DTML methods, External Methods written in Python, etc. >Question: How does  This syntax is still legal, but <dtml-tag > is becoming the more preferred way of doing things. >While discussing variables, how does typing in Zope work? I know that >properties have types. What I want to do is read in a date from a >user with an input form and then compare that to, for instance, a date >in a Gadfly database -- or even just an arbitrary date. How can I >tell Zope (or Gadfly) that it's dealing with a date? I didn't seem to >find any casting operators around anywhere. Zope knows what types objects are. For example, if you do: <dtml-var "someDateProperty + 5" fmt="%m/%d/%y"> you will get the date five days later than the date stored in the property. Likewise, if you do: <dtml-var "someDateProperty + 'foo'"> I believe you'll get an error. (not sure what adding a string to a date would mean :) >> If you do really want it in Zope, you could use XML-RPC or ZClient to update >> things via cron. > >Where can I find documentation on these? This is a fine question. I often look at the source code when I'm curious about something and can't find docs on that specific topic. The Zope source is very readable. Kevin

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RE: [Zope] Many Zope questions
by Michel Pelletier 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Goerzen [mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org] > Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 2:26 PM > To: Michel Pelletier > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Many Zope questions > > > Michel Pelletier <michel(a)digicool.com> writes: > > > I can't connec tto that server (seems to be down). I was looking on > www.zope.org, though, and didn't see that howto. > It's your access, not the site, I can reach it from across the country just fine. > > What if I run Zope with its own server, not through Apache? Then you do the same thing, run 5 Zope instances bound to 5 different system interfaces. > How do the rewrite rules impact accessing things like /manage? They don't. I'll add this to the How-To. -Michel

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Re: [Zope] Another Question
by Kevin Dangoor 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

-----Original Message----- From: John Goerzen <jgoerzen(a)complete.org> To: zope(a)zope.org <zope(a)zope.org> Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:41 PM Subject: [Zope] Another Question >OK, another newbie question. I have searched through the >documentation but can't find any help... > >I want to have a list of upcoming (or even previous) events. Each >item in this list should have a date, a title, a URL for more >information, and a description. In the OO form of thinking, there >should be an Events object, and if I were in a C or Perl mindset, I >would think of an array of Events objects. > >How can I do this in Zope? I'd like to, for instance, have an Events >page that can display details about all the upcoming events. Or, a >quick summary to put on a main page that would display only the title >and use the URL as a link. With Zope2, this is pretty easy, actually. You can make an Event ZClass that has the properties you wish. You can then put these Events in a Folder somewhere (let's say it's /events). In /events, you can make an index_html DTML Method that looks something like this: <dtml-var standard_html_header> <dtml-in "objectValues('Event')"> <a href="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var title></a> </dtml-in> </dtml-var standard_html_footer> This will list the titles of all of the Event objects as links to the object themselves. If you give the object an index_html method, then you can provide more detail about the event when someone clicks on the link. That method (which would be part of the ZClass) could be something like: <dtml-var standard_html_header> <table> <tr> <td>Time:</td><td><dtml-var eventtime></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Place:</td><td><dtml-var place></td> </tr> <dtml-var standard_html_footer> >I thought about putting a bunch of separate documents in a folder, but >-- I can't access that from its siblings. Ie, if I have a folder >named ACLUG/Events, I can't access it from ACLUG/Info (apparently?). >Also, I'd have to know all the names. And, that still doesn't let me >write some quick script to go through there and pick out only upcoming >events or some such thing. Is a Gadfly thing useful here? I couldn't >find a reference on that either (just a brief tutorial). You're probably thinking of acquisition when you say that you "can't access that from its siblings". Acquisition gives you automatic access to objects higher up in the hierarchy. However, you can still get to other objects by doing things like this: (some method in /Info) <dtml-with "PARENTS[1]"> <dtml-with Events> ...work with the events... </dtml-with> </dtml-with> Plus, ZCatalog gives you a way to access all sorts of objects from anywhere in the site in just about any way you want to. Kevin

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Re: [Zope] Many Zope questions
by John Goerzen 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

Michel Pelletier <michel(a)digicool.com> writes: > Did you read the DTML Documents vs. DTML Methods How-To? > > http://www.zope.org:18200/Members/michel/HowTos/DTMLMethodsandDocsHowTo I can't connec tto that server (seems to be down). I was looking on www.zope.org, though, and didn't see that howto. > > How do I do virtual hosting with Zope? For instance, let's > > say I have > > 5 websites, each with different domain names, but hosted on the same > > machine. Right now, I've got Zope's special server going (not using > > the Apache tie-in). Do I need to use the Apache tie-in, and if so, > > does this have a negative impact on performance? > > > > Run five Zope instances through 5 Apache rewrite rules. There are > unsupported patches to allow multiple zope processess to share the same > base of software, but I don't know about them. What if I run Zope with its own server, not through Apache? How do the rewrite rules impact accessing things like /manage? Thanks, John -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming jgoerzen(a)complete.org | Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Free powerful OS upgrade) www.debian.org | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ The 99,663,220th prime number is 2,030,858,171.

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Re: [Zope] Many Zope questions
by John Goerzen 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

"Kevin Dangoor" <kid(a)kendermedia.com> writes: > >I'm just new to Zope, and have some questions both on documentation > >and on overall architecture. > > Welcome! Thanks! > You would probably want to make the Quick Links bar a DTML Method. This > makes it easy to include it wherever you wish. > > <dtml-var quicklinks> Ah ha! So any object (or at least documents and methods) can act as a variable? Neat! Question: How does <!--#var quicklinks> (as is found in the documentation) differ from <dtml-var quicklinks>? When should each be used? While discussing variables, how does typing in Zope work? I know that properties have types. What I want to do is read in a date from a user with an input form and then compare that to, for instance, a date in a Gadfly database -- or even just an arbitrary date. How can I tell Zope (or Gadfly) that it's dealing with a date? I didn't seem to find any casting operators around anywhere. > If you do really want it in Zope, you could use XML-RPC or ZClient to update > things via cron. Where can I find documentation on these? Thanks for the other answers as well, you've got me off to a good start! -- John -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming jgoerzen(a)complete.org | Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Free powerful OS upgrade) www.debian.org | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ The 205,497th digit of pi is 9.

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RE: [Zope] Many Zope questions
by Michel Pelletier 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Goerzen [mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org] > Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:45 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Many Zope questions > > > Hi, > > I'm just new to Zope, and have some questions both on documentation > and on overall architecture. > > First, despite reading the descriptions in the documentation, I still > don't understand the difference between a DTML Method and a DTML > Document, save that documents (apparently?) have their own properties > (variables?) When should I use one, when should I use the other, etc? Did you read the DTML Documents vs. DTML Methods How-To? http://www.zope.org:18200/Members/michel/HowTos/DTMLMethodsandDocsHowTo > Next question. I'm wanting to take a site, say http://www.aclug.org/ > that I currently maintain with a set of m4 macros, and put it into > Zope. I'd like to do nice dynamic things like, say, have a Quick > Links bar that is defined somewhere. This could then be turned on or > off by the user (probably by saving a cookie). Also, maybe I'd like > to use this Quick Links bar in other documents. First, I > suspect that > I should then make an object with the Quick Links bar. How do I > import that object into documents later? There was a > reference in the > DTML manual to an addDocument function, but I can't find any > information on that function. > There is no need to do anything complex like explicitly calling a method. Just include the link bar in your standard_html_header: <dtml-var linkbar> > Also, how do I go about doing the dynamic inclusion and cookie > settings? Specifically, how do I make a "click here to remove" thing > that will set a cookie saying to not display that particular part? > Use RESPONSE.setCookie http://www.zope.org:18200/Documentation/Guides/DTML/DTML-HTML/DTML.4.5.h tml#pgfId-1047078 > How do I do virtual hosting with Zope? For instance, let's > say I have > 5 websites, each with different domain names, but hosted on the same > machine. Right now, I've got Zope's special server going (not using > the Apache tie-in). Do I need to use the Apache tie-in, and if so, > does this have a negative impact on performance? > Run five Zope instances through 5 Apache rewrite rules. There are unsupported patches to allow multiple zope processess to share the same base of software, but I don't know about them. > There are some things that just cannot easily be put into Zope. For > instance, I have software that creates a HTML tree for mailing list > archives, and updates the tree each night. With Apache, I > just set an > Alias so that these items can be easily seen. How can I do this with > Zope? Is it even possible? The easiest thing is to just keep the alias in place and 'short-circuit' your Zope rewrite rule with a rule that sends the client to your other content. We do this with mailman: http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope is not served by zope, but rather by Apache, with the following rule. RewriteEngine On RewriteLog logs/rewrite_log RewriteLogLevel 0 RewriteRule ^/mailman - [l] RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization} ^(.*) RewriteRule ^/(.*) /usr/local/dc/zope19/zope19.cgi/$1 [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION: %1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] It would be a good thing if someone write a how-to on this. Guess it'll be me, here ya go: http://www.zope.org:18200/Members/michel/HowTos/ApacheRewriting > What sort of logs does the Zope server produce? Can they be > formatted > to be like Apache's so standard web log analyzer software can parse > them? > I think chris patched zope to output common log format, but I'm not sure. Chris? -Michel

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