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RE: [Zope] the HTML UI - can I help?
by Paul Everitt 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

Andrew wrote: > I see a number of things that might help enhance the usability of the > zope UI, how do I go about submitting those possible changes > to the HTML > code ? I could mock up a page with HTML and explain how it works... That's a good idea. No, that's a fantastic idea. We have long known that we at Digital Creations aren't world beaters at clean interfaces. --Paul

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RE: [Zope] extending dreamweaver into zope
by Paul Everitt 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

Andrew wrote: > I can see a number of things that DW will (I think) do to help out > Zope - but there is one item in the way - FTP support > There is no direct way for Dreamweaver to send pages back to Zope > without either writing to a filesystem via a LAN or by using FTP (no > webdav yet). Got it. > So my question is this - when will we get ftp support in > zope? (not just > alpha). Let's see, Amos will probably return to ZServer maybe week after next, beta1 might be a week or two after that. > I am looking at the dtml spec right now and thinking about building > drag-and-drop objects for DW that talk zope. > One thing I need is for someone on the zope team or elsewhere > to help me > test these so that I get the syntax correct. > Email me directly at andreww(a)netscape.com That's fantastic! Well there are lots of people on the list that are pretty good at DTML and would love to see DW integration. Obviously we here at DC would like to help you as well! --Paul

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RE: [Zope] sequence of numbers
by Paul Everitt 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

Bill wrote: > What I want to do is given a limit number, iterate over a sequence of > DTML commands. This would be an obvious use for #in (which I'm using > elsewhere for other things) except I don't have a sequence - just the > number of items in the sequence, as it were. Here's a brute-force way to do it, as long as the list of items was short:   <br>  --Paul

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RE: [Zope-dev] concerns about the single-threaded nature of zope: large file downloads. large file downloads.
by Rob Page 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

> Can someone who understands these things better provide me > some reassurance? As I understand it, Zope hands the data stream to PCGI who then, outside of the Zope process trickles the data to the consumer. --Rob

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RE: [Zope-dev] De-Authentication / Logout
by Rob Page 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

> It's always been my impression that unless Zope can be fitted with a > cookie-based-authentication system (vs. the current > basic-auth), there's > *no* way to force a "logout" because of the way the *browsers* handle > basic-auth. Recent notes about Lynx notwithstanding, I agree. It's extremely frustrating when debugging the security of an app! Zope _CAN_ use a cookie-based authentication scheme with the UserDB product. UserDB uses Database Adapter (e.g., Oracle) to connect to a store of user info (e.g., userid and password). I can imagine some motivated community member taking a look at the current incarnation of UserFolder and UserDB and cookie-ifying the UserFolder. --Rob

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Re: [Zope] - XML-style DTML code
by Jeffrey P Shell 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

>From: "Christopher G. Petrilli" <petrilli(a)amber.org> > My goal was to provide an obviously incomplete fix to the current > problem of editing in HTML editors, which is what sparked this. The fix > I proposed fixes that. Once I have a proper XML editor with full XSL > support, it'll be easier to hypothesise about solutions, but until then, > it's all hand waving. The editing-in-HTML-editors will always be a problem with the current syntax, in my opinion, because (real code here, and code i'm not at all ashamed to have written): <TD><SELECT NAME="category">  <OPTION VALUE="" SELECTED ></OPTION>  </SELECT></TD> will give just about any editor a headache. Cyberstudio, at a minimum, moves the comment tags outside of the <SELECT> statements. Dreamweaver might handle this a little better, but as you drag and drop the visual representation around it tends to get out of sync. This same problem hangs around ASP code with only one real visual editor existing (Drumbeat) - and most drumbeat generated sites I've been too have been as much fun as a root canal in slow motion. Since ColdFusion uses 'regular' tags, it's relatively easy to extend editors to handle them, albeit it usually in a limited fashion. And WebObjects, which introduces only one special tag into the HTML environment, requires another parser to handled the accompanying .wod file to be visual (.wod being full of statements similar to HTMLGen instances.) I don't even know what else is out there. I think Vignette's StoryServer can be used with DreamWeaver in the initial stages of design, but once StoryServers code starts getting into the HTML code they advise not going visual anymore (i think StoryServer uses *twitch* TCL in their pages). In any case, this is a very meaty problem - and not just for Zope. (or in other words "ohhhhh, it's so much worse than you think" :) stared-down-this-barrel-just-enough-times-to-even-copy-this-tired-sig'ly yrs, --jPS - - / jeffrey(a)Digicool.com - http://www.digicool.com/

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the HTML UI - can I help?
by andreww＠netscape.com 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

I see a number of things that might help enhance the usability of the zope UI, how do I go about submitting those possible changes to the HTML code ? I could mock up a page with HTML and explain how it works...

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extending dreamweaver into zope
by andreww＠netscape.com 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

I can see a number of things that DW will (I think) do to help out Zope - but there is one item in the way - FTP support There is no direct way for Dreamweaver to send pages back to Zope without either writing to a filesystem via a LAN or by using FTP (no webdav yet). So my question is this - when will we get ftp support in zope? (not just alpha). I am looking at the dtml spec right now and thinking about building drag-and-drop objects for DW that talk zope. One thing I need is for someone on the zope team or elsewhere to help me test these so that I get the syntax correct. Email me directly at andreww(a)netscape.com

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RE: [Zope] Lots of questions:
by Paul Everitt 13 Mar '99

13 Mar '99

Andrew "Zopeweaver" Wooldridge wrote: > 1) How do I get Zope to run as a service on my NT box so I > dont have to > stay logged in for it to run? The installer for the Zope NT binary asks you if you want to run as a service -- in fact, that's the default. Take a look at the file "doc/INSTALL.txt", under Installation on Windows, for more information. > 2) When I upgrad Zope will I have to re-build all of my applications? Unless we do something wrong, nope. > 3) Is there an IRC channel for ZOPE? IF not I would like to offer the > idea of creating one on say the mozilla or slashdot servers I'm not sure if the Zope universe is big enough yet for that. I rememer Guido doing this for Python about a year ago and nobody showed up. :^) Perhaps if there were coordinated events? > 4) Is there anyone interested in working with me on a Zope/Dreamweaver > cross-communication project? I think the answer will certainly be yes. Go to: http://www.egroups.com/list/zope/ and do a search for Dreamweaver. There are about 18 hits. --Paul

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Tree Tag & SQL
by ron＠rotflol.cx 12 Mar '99

12 Mar '99

I am trying to implemented a directory service using the tree tag where the info from several tables of a database. A simplified outline: +Locations +Offices +People +Phones Tel Fax +Addresses Problem: how to have the tree tag use a different SQL method for each level WITHOUT resorting to external methods, because the directory should be maintainable by mere mortals, not Python or SQL gods. -- <- Ronald Offerman | ron(a)offerman.cx <- Root Powered Carrot Munchers Ltd. Inc. SA AG BV "This is Linux Country. On a quiet night, you can hear Windows NT reboot!" "Daddy, why do those people have to use Microsoft Windows?" "Don't stare, son; it's not polite." "M$ Windows NT, an accident waiting to happen" "What goes up, must come down. Ask any system administrator." ".sig too big? Flame me, I'm cold!"

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