May 1999 - Zope - Zope lists

Running external applications
by Graham Chiu 25 May '99

25 May '99

I'm a newbie to Zope. I could not get it to run with my webserver, so am using zserver for the moment. How does one run all ones legacy applications eg. windows executables, perl scripts etc. I've checked the documentation and the FAQ but the only external methods seem to be written in Python. Thanks, ------- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz

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Apache/Zope newbie setup help
by Randy Edwards 25 May '99

25 May '99

Hi Folks, I've been toying with Zope on an NT server machine for a few days and I'm interested enough to try it on the real server, my Debian GNU/Linux box running Apache-SSL 1.3.6.4. I've read the install and webserver.txt docs but I still don't have the configuration just right. I can access Zope alright, and I put the rewrite rule in and that seems to be working. What I'm having a problem with is the access. A couple of stupid questions, if you don't mind. What apache config file should the <Location...> block be put into; I'm assuming access.conf, correct? (And yes, I'm restarting apache to reread the config files (in case you're wondering).) Though I get an authentication prompt, I just get an "Authentication failed. Retry?" prompt in Netscape. In the location block, I have AuthUserFile pointed at /usr/local/zope/access, which is the edited access file for my zope install. Does this sound correct? Any tid-bits, smacks with a clue-bat, tips, and pointers to documentation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, | Windows98 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a . | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 Randy | bit operating system originally coded for (redwards(a)golgotha.net) | a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit http://www.golgotha.net | company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.

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RE: [Zope] Zope questions?
by Michel Pelletier 24 May '99

24 May '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Lownds [mailto:tony@metanet.com] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 7:15 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Zope questions? > > > I remember seeing a utility to get zope objects from the > command line - > what archive is that in now? lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py is an HTTP based Zope RPC mechanism. Quothe the usage information: """ Usage: %s [-u username:password] url [name=value ...] where url is the web resource to call. The -u option may be used to provide a user name and password. Optional arguments may be provides as name=value pairs. In a name value pair, if a name ends in ":file", then the value is treated as a file name and the file is send using the file-upload protocol. If the file name is "-", then data are taken from standard input. The body of the response is written to standard output. The headers of the response are written to standard error. """ You can also call things from python: [michel@aldous python]$ python1.5.1 Python 1.5.1 (#2, Jan 26 1999, 10:47:10) [GCC 2.7.2.3] on linux2 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import Main, ZPublisher >>> ZPublisher.Main('') Status: 200 OK X-Powered-By: Zope (www.zope.org) Python (www.python.org) Content-Length: 35 Content-Type: text/plain <Application instance at 0x811a0f8> ____________________________________________________________ >>> This is essentially asking for the 'index_html' method of the root folder (like http://host.com/) Since I dont have an index_html method, it's give the str representation of root object, which is an object of type 'Application'. You can also specify more arguments to Main(): "u='userid:passwd'" as the userid and password (for Basic auth, doesn't work for cookies, that's a bit of a bugger). and "d=1" for real time debugging, or "pm=1" for post mortem debugging. > > Also, with ZPublisher, is it possible to publish methods of an object > without having PATH_INFO stuff set, based on different pcgi > info files? Ie, > http://www.domain.com/dir/index.cgi should publish > mymodule.myobject.index_cgi, > http://www.domain.com/dir/form.cgi should publish > mymodule.myobject.form_cgi, etc. > Uhm. I don't quite get your question. Clarification? -Michel > Thanks, > > -Tony > > > ---------------- > Tony Lownds > tony(a)printra.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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Zope questions?
by Tony Lownds 24 May '99

24 May '99

I remember seeing a utility to get zope objects from the command line - what archive is that in now? Also, with ZPublisher, is it possible to publish methods of an object without having PATH_INFO stuff set, based on different pcgi info files? Ie, http://www.domain.com/dir/index.cgi should publish mymodule.myobject.index_cgi, http://www.domain.com/dir/form.cgi should publish mymodule.myobject.form_cgi, etc. Thanks, -Tony ---------------- Tony Lownds tony(a)printra.net

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FYI: Open Source business article...
by Paul Everitt 24 May '99

24 May '99

...from the Washington Business Journal, spotlighting Digital Creations, is now online at: http://www.amcity.com/washington/stories/1999/05/24/focus4.html FYI, I am collecting the mentions at: http://www.zope.org/Information/Media --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909 ----------------------------------------- The Open Source Zope application server http://www.zope.org/ -----------------------------------------

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RE: [Zope] ZOPE, Medusa and the ZD WebBench 3.0 test suite...
by Michel Pelletier 24 May '99

24 May '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pavlos Christoforou [mailto:pavlos@gaaros.msrc.sunysb.edu] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 1:41 PM > To: Jim Salmons > Cc: Chris Petrilli; zope(a)zope.org > Subject: RE: [Zope] ZOPE, Medusa and the ZD WebBench 3.0 test suite... > > > On Mon, 24 May 1999, Jim Salmons wrote: > > > > Despite whatever we and Twain may think about benchmarks in > general, from a > > marketing/sales standpoint saying "We don't believe in > benchmarks and none > > are appropriate for our technology," does not go over very well with > > potential client/customers. (Nor do non-standard tests go > over well since > > they don't allow "comparative shopping.") > > > > My experience is that it is much better to at least subject > yourself to such > > "standard benchmarks" and have a compelling "footnotes and > explanations" to > > address any mismatch between your technology and an > industry benchmark. > > > > I would agree with Chris that benchmarks are generally biased > but you are > right they are essential for marketing purposes. So why not give them > marketing non-sense ;-) I mean run medusa, just pure medusa no Zope to > serve static html pages, and even better cache the pages in > memory. It is > Zope's web server after all. > > Talking nonsense > Nothing nonsensical about it Pavlos, this is exactly the underhanded, rediculous types of methods other companies use to benchmark their products. In fact, this would probably be the *correct* way of benchmarking ZServer from a benchmark expert's POV. After all, to a person like that, Zope would be the backend and not really germain to the 'serving' nature of ZServer. Any other discussion along dynamic content lines goes straight into the "What is Dynamic? What is Content?" discussion. I'm sure ZD net and everybody else has an answer to that question, and I'm sure each answer is wildly different, will require a different benchmark, and all system will perform quite differently between them. Everybody's looking for the hard line in a world of soft planes. I'm also of the opinion that Zope and even other Open Source tools don't show up on these popular 'unbiased benchmarks' because we don't pay for advertising in those magazines. Quite simply, they don't know who we are because they are quite busy with the people they know and love so well, the one's who provide their paycheck. I don't think they are intentionally *excluding* products like Zope, but I have no doubt that there is an implicit preference to please the money. Hey, I please the money too. -Michel the comercialy bitter > > Pavlos > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] ZOPE, Medusa and the ZD WebBench 3.0 test suite...
by Chris Petrilli 24 May '99

24 May '99

Lies, damn lies and benchmarks. -Samuel Clements via me. > My question, and the one I expect is on many of your minds, > is... How does a > ZOPE/Medusa server config stack up? My hope and expectation that the > underlying Medusa architecture might really shine when compared to the > pre-allocating multi-process approach of Apache, etc. Well, this is for lack of a better statement, irrelevent to Zope. They are asking (last I looked) for a static-page system, with some tiny CGIs, but this isn't really what Zope is about. EVERY page is Zope is dynamic, so if you compared a 100% CGI site with Zope, then it *might* be a valid comparison, if you also pulled all the data out of a database on the fly as well... IMPORTANT: The only benchmark that matters is the one that is your application, and on that, Zope excells. As for asyncronous v. threading/forking servers. Zeus, which is the fastest 'static' web server int he world, and what everyone uses for benchmarking on UNIX is also an asyncronous server. Different servers have different behaviours. One of the common problems with IIS v. Apache/etc is that Apache isn't tuned to saturate a small number of clients (which is all they are simulating) with very big pipes, but instead, a huge number of clients with smaller bandwidth (what the Internet really looks like). Also, IIS4 runs a "cache" inside the server, which you could simulate iwth Squid, or some such... One must be careful comparing the flavor of two things sold as oranges when one is distinctly shaped like a pumpkin. Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli Digital Creations | petrilli(a)digicool.com http://www.digicool.com

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help
by Alan Chung 24 May '99

24 May '99

To people out there, I started using Zope recently and has been trying to access MySQL from Zope on win32 platform. I have been trying to compile MySQL module for Zope and get MySQL database adapter working on win32. But I am struggling with compiling source of MySQL DA on win32 and couldn't get it working. I have heard that somebody got MySQL DA working with the binary version of DA (I couldn't find a binary version of DA on zope's home, though). Please help me if anyone knows a better way to do this. I apreciate it very much. Thanks in advance. Alan

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ZOPE, Medusa and the ZD WebBench 3.0 test suite...
by Jim Salmons 24 May '99

24 May '99

The June 8th issue of PC Magazine has an extensive cover story, "How to Create a Great Site," which includes a number of sub-articles, Design It, Polish It, Build It and Serve It. This cover story is pitched to small businesses considering going on-line. In this regard, there are a number of oversights and mismatches in terms of the products and services they have included or excluded in these subsection round-ups. For example, they give Editors' Choice awards to FrontPage 2000 and Dreamweaver 2 in the Design It section in a shoot-out which does not include Allaire's Homesite. And their Polish It section, for site management and promotion, did not include FirstPlace Software's excellent WebPosition Gold. (Ok, my personal preferences are showing, but I include them here to give you an idea of how unusually sloppy and rushed much of this massive feature seems to me. I usually count on ZD Labs to give me credible "Consumers' Digest" type pre-purchase information.) The Build It section ratchets up a level from static WYSIWYG authoring, covered in the Design It section, to products which provide back-end database connectivity and other commerce-oriented features. In a sidebar, application servers are covered, stating that "Cons" for their use is the requirement to learn Java or C++ and that such environments have generally higher software costs!? Obviously the editorial team is unaware of ZOPE. (I plan to write a "Dear Editors" letter to bring this and other oversights of the full article to their attention, but suggest that there is "strength in numbers" so anyone else inclined to do the same, I encourage you to chime in.) But most disturbing are the results published for the OS and Server tests in the Serve It section. As you will see if you check this out, NT and IIS shine, especially with regard to dynamic page serving and SSL performance. Linux/Apache have a poor showing. In the fine print, the editors do reveal that, due to a bug in the TCP/IP stack, the ZD Labs were unable to run the test suite against the latest 2.2 kernel!? I certainly hope they do a "2nd Look" update of this shoot-out and provide such updated performance information. But here's the real intent of this note... ZD Labs reports that this shoot-out marks the debut of WebBench 3.0. This test suite is designed to stress test web servers. They give full details of the network config, etc. on pages 170-172. My question, and the one I expect is on many of your minds, is... How does a ZOPE/Medusa server config stack up? My hope and expectation that the underlying Medusa architecture might really shine when compared to the pre-allocating multi-process approach of Apache, etc. Does anybody in the ZOPE community have the resources to run the WebBench test suite? Does anybody have the contacts and/or clout to supply ZD Labs an appropriately configured ZOPE/Medusa server to perform such a test? And finally, are we at the point where such a test would be in our best interest, or do we bide our time and "leap from the bushes" when our planets are slightly more aligned (as in following the 2.0 roll-out)? A curious ZOPEer, --Jim Salmons-- <salmons(a)sohodojo.com> P.S. I live in the RTP area of North Carolina, so if anyone in this area wants to perform such tests and needs a hand, please do not hesitate to ask for help.

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what happens with ZDP?
by Dmitry B. Khlonin 24 May '99

24 May '99

I tried to retrieve http://zdp.zope.org and receive this HTML

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