December 2000 - Zope

RE: [Zope] Zope's "." vs "_" unsolved issue (Re:To retrieve prope rties from a dtml document) document)
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

What kind of content is it that you are uploading to Zope, and what is your workflow? As someone working in the news industry with several online newspapers and also fairly experienced with Zope and content automation, I might be able to make some suggestions that might help you out. Zope has some weird issues with namespaces and syntax that sometimes clash with Python's. That said, I think that things are constantly improving. Perhaps _['identifier'] solves your problem, at the slight cost of being just a bit kludgy. Do you use Zope for your staging server, or just for your live site? There might be ways to use it at both ends, integrate with dreamweaver, and bypass using wget... >From the sounds of it, you are using zope as the back end to an "editorial-system" workflow using Dreamweaver, but you are not taking advantage of most of Zope's features that facilitate content management. If I was familiar with your workflow, I'd be happy to provide advice if I could be of any help. Good luck, Sean -----Original Message----- From: Ausum [mailto:ausum@mail.cosapidata.com.pe] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:20 AM To: jpenny(a)universal-fasteners.com; zope(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope] Zope's "." vs "_" unsolved issue (Re:To retrieve properties from a dtml document) document) jpenny(a)universal-fasteners.com wrote: > You still have given no cogent reason for using Zope. If you have only, > or predominatly static content, you are paying a huge overhead penalty. > If you have mixed static content and dynamic content, use apache and > ProxyPass to front-end the dynamic content, and apache to serve the > static content. Then you have no conversion worries at all on the > static content. Hello Jim, I'm finding myself greatly dissapointed that Zope doesn't have a built-in routine for this "." vs "_" problem. Although it may not be a big issue if you remain in Zserver and Unix, it is if we want the Zope's users base to keep growing, because we all benefit from it. And this point is a sort of unpleasant barrier for not-programmers Windows users like me. Dreamweaver is great for layout and design, and for nothing else. In despite of its templates and libraries and everything else, it would be unclever to let the journalists and editors in charge of content creation at my job, to open Dreamweaver and insert their stories in each page, asking them to not forget to write the summary in the description tag and the story title as the page title tag. :) For the time being we can't afford a 3 Mb/s connection (our current bandwith needs) so we must upload to a remote server almost two hundred pages daily. And even when relying page updating on trainned personnel exclusively, there's been this funny experience that the printed edition releases before the digital one, meaning that we have to deal with this gap between releases all the time. So that's why we need Zope, and why we need to get over its behaviours. Maybe it's time to throw the ball to Macromedia's ground. :) Thanks again for your comments, Jim Ausum jpenny(a)universal-fasteners.com wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:10:54PM -0500, Ausum wrote: > > Hello Andy, thanks for the advice. > > It didn't work. Maybe I'm wrong at any point, so please tell me whether > > it worked for you. > > > > I'm aware that this problem has been discussed here before, that it > > happens because of Python's object naming, and also that there's a > > workaround at least (and just)for expressions, using _['whatever.html'] > > > > Due to the kind of workflow we have, we need all of the documents to be > > editable with Dreamweaver at any moment, directly, after the daily WGET > > process. Batch-replacing every "_html" with ".html" in file names and > > content seems to be very complicated within this scenario. > > Going from dreamweaver to Zope, if you are working on > unix, batch replacing is EASY, a single find command to > change the file names and a simple > sed script (or python or perl) to change hrefs. > You will need to write such a script anyway, if your servers > are Unix or Linux and your Dreamweavers are Windows. You will > find that your windows people mix filename case randomly and > expect it to work; you will have to canonify all hrefs to a > single case convention. > > If going from zope to dreamweaver, either write the corresponding > _ to . scripts and batch it, or write a checkout external script > that does it for you. I have not thought about this latter option > very much, but the export facility should give you an example of > how to do this. I doubt if it is much more than a day's reading > and two days coding (and this is being damn generous, as I suspect > that this is a ten line script). > > You still have given no cogent reason for using Zope. If you have only, > or predominatly static content, you are paying a huge overhead penalty. > If you have mixed static content and dynamic content, use apache and > ProxyPass to front-end the dynamic content, and apache to serve the > static content. Then you have no conversion worries at all on the > static content. > > Jim _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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mysql on fresno
by George Haigh 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

Has anyone altered mysql on fresno (i.e. removed) ? I am getting bcnu error messages that mysqld is not running, and the startup script is missing. --George

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testing to ops - do you get this?
by root＠spoke.net 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

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testing
by Garth Hitchens 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

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Re: [Zope] To retrieve properties from a dtml document
by Oliver Bleutgen 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

> Hello Andy, thanks for the advice. > It didn't work. Maybe I'm wrong at any point, so please tell me whether > it worked for you. > I'm aware that this problem has been discussed here before, that it > happens because of Python's object naming, and also that there's a > workaround at least (and just)for expressions, using _['whatever.html'] > Due to the kind of workflow we have, we need all of the documents to be > editable with Dreamweaver at any moment, directly, after the daily WGET > process. Batch-replacing every "_html" with ".html" in file names and > content seems to be very complicated within this scenario. not overly complicated, here is a slightly modfied script (untested) which I used for a similar task (creating an "offline"-version for a client): #!/usr/bin/bash rm -rf myimport wget -r -k http://192.168.0.201:10080/ mv 192.168.0.201/ myimport/ rm myimport/index.html perl -pi -e 's/<base href="http:\/\/192.168.0.201:10080.*//g' `find myimport/ -type f` perl -pi -e 's/(.*)_html/$1\.html/g' `find myimport/ -type f` mmv ';*_html' '#1#2.html' zip -r myimport.zip myimport/* Things to check - Check the regular expressions and mmv part, I had to change them without testing (not certain about the (.*) and the mmv (-> multiple move) syntax) - Instead of relying on _html to mark html-files one could use file(1) - but then one would have to make a list of renamed files in order to change the relevant links - Improve the regex for changing links, it might capture _html in text (but how often does that occure) cheers, oliver

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test
by Matthew Burleigh 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

test -- - Matthew Burleigh - Systems Administrator, Digital Creations - publishers of Zope. - (888)344-4332 -- http://www.digicool.com - http://www.zope.org

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test
by Matthew Burleigh 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

test -- - Matthew Burleigh - Systems Administrator, Digital Creations - publishers of Zope. - (888)344-4332 -- http://www.digicool.com - http://www.zope.org

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[Zope-dev] regex (or re) modules
by Tim McLaughlin 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

Does anybody know why these modules aren't available for DTML and Python Methods? (I already hacked my server, just wanna know what I'm riskin) Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )

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test
by Matthew Burleigh 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

test -- - Matthew Burleigh - Systems Administrator, Digital Creations - publishers of Zope. - (888)344-4332 -- http://www.digicool.com - http://www.zope.org

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PR Progress as of today
by Bill Fisher 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

Garth, I have done a lot of investigating and talked to a fair number of people. As of today, I would say that our plan for getting our word out should be to distribute our press release to one submission service. The best one I have found is Business Wire. I have included the publications they work with for releases. A few of these are major news sources that people like Yahoo use for getting news like Reuters. According to Yahoo, this is the only way our news will show up on their site (they mentioned BusinessWire.com and PRNewswire.com) I have included a Word document that lists the various places our news will be distributed if we pick this company and this demographic (which I think is our space). I'm keeping this list as a reference and then creating my own list of sites or magazines that these guys do not cover. The cost for this organization is $100 membership fee. Each press release is $525 for up to 400 words. Each additional 100 words is $135.00. At the very least, I think you should figure this kind of stuff in your budgets for the business. There is no cheaper way to get our name out there. We probably would not do more than one press release per month. I'd be surprised if we did that many. Randy Thompson suggested it might be a good idea to contact media people directly, but based on the sheer numbers of publications we need to hit, I believe that could be a full time job and then some. I think using this service makes sense for us given the limited cycles we have between us. Any comments appreciated. We won't need to do this until we release V2. But, I want be ready. Thanks Bill Bill Fisher Spoke Technologies, Inc. www.Spoke.net

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