May 2000 - Zope - Zope lists

sequence-*
by Graham Chiu 26 May '00

26 May '00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Many of these variables cause problems for those starting out with Zope. Why not create alternate names such as sequence_* and degrade the former? - -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Interbase and Zope -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOS0vJbTRdIWzaLpMEQJ1pwCgtHuwKcKLTI3xRV6PvL3nOU8acV0AnR4H Lu3wVAMYiBLQIjF2Je3fHmrq =+Lzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Roxen+Zope => Static+Dynamic pages
by Adrian Esteban Madrid 26 May '00

26 May '00

Is anybody using Roxen and Zope to serve both dynamic and static pages? I've seen some hacs and products to serve static pages from zope but I figure there must be a way to serve static directly from roxen instead of doing roxen-zope-roxen. Any ideas? Anybody knows how to change the redirect rules to do that? Adrian

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Zope Instability
by Rob Sporleder 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi, We recently setup a Zope server and it has been running great until this morning when it stopped responding, twice. There are no errors, core files or indication of a problem except that the server stopped responding to http requests. All processes were still running and a simple restart remedied the problem both times. Has anybody had any similar problems, advice, etc. We are running two Zope servers serving two different sites. Both servers run as the same user. Thanks, --Rob Zope Newbie

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Re: [Zope] M$soft
by Tres Seaver 26 May '00

26 May '00

"Jonothan Farr" <jfarr(a)real.com> wrote: > > > Here's a reference that dropped from Google when I asked "corruption > > concurrent microsoft access database" > > > > http://dgl.com/dglinfo/1998/dg980825.html (half way down page) > > > > I wouldn't use Access with Zope. > > Sounds like a bug in the Access UI not the underlying Jet DB engine. Jet is inherently thread-unsafe, and M$ has no plans to fix this (such a fix would cut into their ability to sell SQL Server). This issue has been a long-running problem in the Windows world; the only solution is to serialize *all* access to the DB (even concurrent *reads* can foul each other up -- blech!) Tres. -- ========================================================= Tres Seaver tseaver(a)digicool.com Digital Creations "Zope Dealers" http://www.zope.org

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RE: [Zope] Medusa vs. Apache
by Coleman, Bryan 26 May '00

26 May '00

If performance is a concern I would go with Apache. It is much more robust and faster than Medusa. I have load tested them both and Apache leaves Medusa far behind. - Bryan Patrick Coleman Questcon Technologies (336)273-2428 bcoleman(a)questcon.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Petru Paler [SMTP:ppetru@coltronix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:13 AM > To: Jilani Khaldi > Cc: Zope ML > Subject: Re: [Zope] Medusa vs. Apache > > > Hi All, > > I wonder if it is more convenient to stay with Apache or to move to > > Medusa for a best use of Zope? > > If you don't need any of the Apache features go with ZServer/Medusa. > > -Petru > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Re: [Zope] Zope Email (syndication)
by Rik Hoekstra 26 May '00

26 May '00

-----Original Message----- From: Karl Ulbrich <karlzope(a)sub.ulbrich.org> To: zope(a)zope.org <zope(a)zope.org> Date: vrijdag 26 mei 2000 21:49 Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Email (syndication) >> Well... I think that it's probably the shortest route to a functioning >> zope archive to use mailman- already written in python, and modular >> enough that we should be able to take it one step at a time. > >In browsing the MailMan lists, I recall reading about someone >setting up an archiver script that received each mail message >and saved it into Zope via WebDAV, so each msg became a document. >I didn't save the link, but that might be the *fastest* way to >get started with archiving (and potentially indexing, etc) mail >in Zope: > > - script (in Python, of course!) receives mail, or add to Mailman > - script talks WebDAV, and saves it into a folder (or > subfolder by-date?) in Zope > - this becomes a DTML document -- I don't know enoug Zope > yet to know if this could be a customized/subclassed DTML > doc that was smart enough to parse RFC822, save > fielded and raw search info into ZCatalog, etc). > - everything Zope can do with a collection of items is yours! > >This sounded cool to me... Anyone going to try? Not me. I just wanted to add that imho saving an rfc822 object (using the standard python module) might not be a bad idea. I used it for a product (using bobo that was, I changed it after ZOpe came) that eats a Netscape inbox, by way of a maillists digest. And what about an XML derivative of the rfc822? Rik

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Re: [Zope] Higher Education
by Rik Hoekstra 26 May '00

26 May '00

<snip> >You know, there's the python edu-sig (http://www.python.org/sigs/edu-sig) >- i wonder whether there's some point in crossing over the efforts? On >the plus side, there's a number of educators there with real interest in >teaching programming in a good way, on the minus side, their charter is >pretty much python oriented, and zope may be a more narrow context than >they would wish to dwell within. I mean, i'm not sure how the slightly >different agendas would work out... Hi Ken I have been lurking on the edu-sig for a while now. I think your concern about divergent interests is quite justified. The zope-edu list was more about getting a coherent framework in Zope, while the the edu-sig is more about teaching programming in the Computer Programming for Everyone program, even if discussions seem to be narrowing down to teaching computer math to everyone. There has been an occasional mention of ZOpe, though. If a Zope-edu effort would bring a Computer Mediated Instruction environment, this might be of great help also for them my 2 cents Rik

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Re: [Zope] Higher Education
by Rik Hoekstra 26 May '00

26 May '00

-----Original Message----- From: Charlie Derr <charlie(a)intelligenesis.net> To: zope(a)zope.org <zope(a)zope.org> Date: vrijdag 26 mei 2000 21:28 Subject: RE: [Zope] Higher Education > > >|-----Original Message----- >|From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of >|Timothy Wilson >|Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:44 PM >|To: Rik Hoekstra >|Cc: Shane Hathaway; Phil Langton; zope(a)zope.org >|Subject: Re: [Zope] Higher Education >| >| >|On Fri, 26 May 2000, Rik Hoekstra wrote: >| >|> >How many are still interested in this? >|> >|> I was among one of the first to be active in the zope-edu list and I am >|> still interested and even working on a product for course maintenance. I >|> even sent Shane an immature snapshot, but had to reimplement the product >|> because of nesting ZClasses (sigh). Moreover, I was changing >|jobs as well, >|> which did not exactly help in getting things from the ground. >|> >|> So - yes I'm still interested Shane. >| >|I'm still very much interested in this. School's out in a week or so, and I >|plan to work hard this summer worked on developing Zope stuff to be used >|here at school. I would love to renew the discussions. >| >|-Tim > > >Where do i find out how to subscribe to the zope-edu list? > >It doesn't seem to be listed on http://www.zope.org/Resources/MailingLists Look at the sourceforge address mentioned before http://sourceforge.net/project/?group_id=3093 Rik

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Re: language != newsgroup
by Tom Neff 26 May '00

26 May '00

Bill Anderson <bill(a)libc.org> wrote: > Well, I think I can comment on som eof teh 'revulsion' of many of the > persons on the list. Some of us have/do hang out on c.l.python and > c.l.perl. We have witness _ferst_hand_ this 'community's collective > 'gargabe'. TO compare the two communities, you start with how they act/ > do not act as one. First place to look: usenet, the sewer. In c.l.perl, > any mention of non-perl, or anything less than absolute praise for perl, > will land you in a flame war the likes or which satan himself wears > asbestos clothing for (and if you mention python, satan bows out due to > heat). I have seen people _try_ to start flame wars on c.l.py, and fail > 99% of the time. I have only once seen something close to a flame war on > c.l.py in many years. And in that was due in a large part to the other > person in it (those who witnessed it now who I am speaking of). The fallacy here is simply that Zope is adding a language, not a newsgroup. There are people who code Perl, Python and Zope every day and don't know, care about, read or post to comp.lang.anything. Bajillions of them in fact - a healthy majority. The decision whether to add a language should NOT be made on the basis of what a few Usenet addicts think. It should be made on the basis (among others) of whether it adds desirable functionality and "marketability" (for profit or otherwise) without fatally complicating the product. I think Perl methods will be very popular and not particularly difficult to maintain as a Zope feature, although I do anticipate some complications down the road as new Zope, Python and Perl releases see the light of day and have to co-exist on various platforms. > I can pretty much gaurantee that oce we start getting perl people on the > list, doing stuff in perl, the following scenario will occur repeatedly: > > "I want to do this, how do I do it?" > "like this...<python code>" > "I don;t want to use python, I want to use the all cool lnaguage of > perl" > "Sorry, can't help you" ... Actually what will probably happen is that someone will ask "I want to do this, how do I do it" and one or more Python enthusiasts will say "like this... <python code>" and one or more Perl enthusiasts will SIMULTANEOUSLY say "like this... <perl code>" and the user will pick what suits them, and get back to work. Only the professional arguers will have the time to fight over this stuff.

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RE: problems with NTUserFolder.
by Jay, Dylan 26 May '00

26 May '00

I see how it works now. I installed jcNTUSerFolder but couldn't get it to work. I thought it did the challenge response stuff for me. I didn't realize it had to go behind IIS. I'll give it a try. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jephte CLAIN [mailto:minf7@educ.univ-reunion.fr] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:14 PM > To: Jay, Dylan > Cc: 'zope(a)zope.org' > Subject: Re: problems with NTUserFolder. > > > "Jay, Dylan" a écrit : > > > > I can't seem to get your product to work the way I want. > I'll tell you what > > I'm after and perhaps you can tell me where I'm going wrong > or if indeed > > your product can do it at all. > > > > I have a group of users who are all part of the same domain > as I am on. Its > > the department domain. I want to have these people > recognized by my website > > seemlessly. I know this can be done with NT challenge > response if you are > > using ie as your client. I want to do this in zope such > that users who enter > > the site are automatically authenticated and appriate > permissions for them > > set. These would be zope permission set inside zope, > nothing to do with NT > > permissions. > > > > How do I do this? > Well, I wrote jcNTUserFolder to do exactly this :-) > > you may have a look at > http://www.zope.org/Members/jephte/HOWTO/IIS_and_Zope_in_REMOT E_USER_mode a few comments: - you have to install the jcNTUserFolder *before* you put Zope in REMOTE user mode. - zope in its current form can't handle REMOTE user authentication mode together with standard authentication mode. When you install Zope as as pcgi process to get through IIS, it is the *only* way to be authenticated and get, for example, to the management screens. When you install jcNTUserFolder as the root user folder, you have to choose the NT user that will be mapped to the super user. The first time, you have to log with that user. Note that this 'super user' needn't be a privileged one under NT. regards, jephte clain minf7(a)educ.univ-reunion.fr

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