May 2001 - Zope - Zope lists

zope.org down
by emf 28 May '01

28 May '01

The storage server has crashed, we believe due to hardware failure. We're working to bring it back up. Thanks for your patience, -- emf "something witty" mindlace(a)imeme.net

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zope.org down
by emf 28 May '01

28 May '01

The storage server has crashed, we believe due to hardware failure. We're working to bring it back up. Thanks for your patience, -- emf "something witty" mindlace(a)imeme.net

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Zope.org - uptime
by Rich Pinder 28 May '01

28 May '01

Are there any stats on the 'uptime' of the zope.org site ? thanks rich

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Re: [Zope] ZSyncer
by Maarten Slaets 28 May '01

28 May '01

> Can you please tell me _how to use the ZSyncer_. just install the zsyncer product on both servers, then add a zsyncer instance to each server. For example put a zsyncer object called 'Zsyncer' in the site root: /Zsyncer then on your local machine edit the Zsyncer instance and enter as destination: *remotehost*/Zsyncer then click Sync tab and you can _manually_ choose what todo. so you wont do anything wrong just by clicking the Sync tab. Its very well explained in the inline help. Cheers Maarten NEOlabs - http://www.neolabs.be - mailto:info@neolabs.be

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Is it just us, or is Zope.org down?
by Joachim Werner 28 May '01

28 May '01

Right now, a ping works, but no http ... Joachim

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Re: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy
by Peter Bengtsson 28 May '01

28 May '01

Feedback on http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/ It was easy to read because you shine of enthusiasm and optimism. That's good, and this is the kind of text you want to send when you send propaganda to a prospective client. But it's easier for me to complain so I'll do that. It's alot of "me" and "I". That's alright, but is the article about you or Zope as a basis product for a developing Buiness plan? Your conclusion in the begining of the text summorizes: "Zope is all about a framework for rapid Web-application creation and maintenance." The work "rapid" weights heavly in that sentence. Maybe you should get back to that later in detail. It is the same conclusion I use a lot when I'm describing Zope. I say "Using Zope, you'll get more for your money because everything is so prepared for you. If you know what you want, you can save money by using Zope" "Rapid creation and maintenence" also means "less bucks"; but maybe we should leave the conclusion about what "rapid" means to people who apply it. One thing that I thing you should mention more about content management systems and so on is that when you install Zope you get ACLUsers, Lots of permissions, Basic Authentication (well tested), encompassed-management-view-per-permissions and options to fully customize and control login (LDAP, MySQL UserFolder, NT Userfolder etc) These are things that are taken for granted in Zope. And in the ASP/JSP/PHP world systems that "approach" the security whole of Zope cost thousands of pounds for companies. I've seen new media agencies build impressive content management systems for wellpaying large companies, but when I look at their content management system I think that they can be built in zope in 30 minutes by mastering the www.zope.org/Products page. Business is a lot about money. And this is one of Zope's strongest strengths, by just like you're saying being rapid. More on that please. Nothing more for moment. Well done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Vallen" <vallen(a)gmx.net> To: <zpt(a)zope.org> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy > Hi, > > I've recently had an exchange with Peter Bengtsson about > his nice ZPT/DTML - comparison page. > > Now he alerted me to the existence of a ZPT-mailing list and > here I am. > [Notice to evan: please mention the list under > http://www.zope.org/Resources/MailingLists as that's where > I and probably others have looked]. > > I would like to draw your attention to that > kind of business plan (pamphlet?) I hacked last night. > While its premier aim is finding a way to do a business > based on Zope, it contains some amount of ZPT-advocacy > as well. > > And ZPT can use any support it can muster. So here's > the relevant part. Head over to > http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/ for the whole > thing. If anyone thinks he can use it for propaganda ;-) do! > > see you, > Andreas > > > ---- start of excerpt > > ... > (2) The second major problem we have is the separation of content, logic and > presentation. > > "Long before solved" one should think regarding the wealth of supposedly > "Model-View-Controller" patterns in the application server domain: ASP, PHP, > JSP and DTML. > > Not true! Most of you will know it: Above mentioned templating mechanisms > while better than Perl-cgiing at their time of birth have introduced their > own plethora of problems. In fact it were the same old ones: Logic inside > presentation. > While it is impossible to edit a cgi-script with a WYSIWYG-editor editing > these templates is not a pleasant experience either - if at all possible. > I as a Java-devotee have of course taken delight in JSP - until I used it too > much. I have not coded in the other above mentioned templating languages (not > even DTML), but I know for sure that the result is the same: > > They leave a hell of a mess. > > But good we have DC. Apart of creating our platform, one of the advantages of > having a commercial "mother" as an open-source community is that they often > better sense the shortcomings of the platform regarding its use by people not > being fluent in all the languages of choice at any given moment (e.g. DTML). > > And I assume that no designer wants to see or even learn > "dtmlmethod(_.None,_)". God - not even I want to see something like this. But > I think I have to: I'm a coder. > So what did DC do? > > Short: they created the ultimate weapon. The solution. The thing that made me > think my business idea is feasible, no: damned to success:Page Templates > > I'm not in a mood to explain them. Just go to the ZPT site. Simply know that > they are a groundbreaking mechanism to separate logic, content and > presentation in such a way that page-designers can reliably edit their > dynamic pages inside any WYSIWYG-editor without having any problems. > > Contrast this to any(!) other of the established templating mechanisms which > will make these editors terribly confused and unusable, what is quite sure > your fate if you don't happen to speak the language of the tools' company > (Microsoft: ASP!, even Macromedia may cease support for anything but CFML > from Allaire Coldfusion (whom they bought) and JSP: Think about choice Mr. > IT-manager! No one got ever fired for choosing choice! ;-) ) > > In some way the content<->logic separation is even better accomplished by > XMLC (a separation mechanism employed by the java application server > "Enhydra"), which ZPT was inspired by, but enhydra XMLC lacks other crucial > features which in my opinion second it. > > I try to advertise ZPT because I feel many seasoned developers shun this new > technology. Even DC seems to be afraid of saying DTMLers: "Stop coding DTML. > There's something new in town and it is vastly superior!" Understandable - > given the fact that zopistas like too hack and ZPT superficially (ok ... > really - but only a bit) seems to have less expressiveness. > > But that's the same the new Python Scripts are also all about: Stop enmeshing > logic and content! > The results are more but rewarding and as I said enabling my business - > because they tackle our second problem: separating the logic from the content. > ... > > --- end of excerpt > > _______________________________________________ > ZPT mailing list > ZPT(a)zope.org > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zpt

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RE: [Zope] How do I properly install PIL for Zope under Windows?
by Max Møller Rasmussen 28 May '01

28 May '01

> From: Holger Lehmann [mailto:lehmann@catworkx.de] > There ought to be a windows 32-bit precompiled distribution > around somewhere. > Try google's search with: > pil win32 binary I allready have it installed and compiled under regular Python 2.0, and I also used it under 1.5.2, but I cannot seem to figure out where to put the right stuff under Zope, as the directory structure is completely different. I have tried all possible ways that I can think but to no avail. regards Max M

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How do I properly install PIL for Zope under Windows?
by Max Møller Rasmussen 28 May '01

28 May '01

I have PIL up and running under Python 2.0 in windows. Now I want to transfer some code to a Zope product. Therefore I need to install PIL under Zope 2.3 I havn't been able to find any docs about it. Has anybody got some hints? regards max M

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ZSyncer
by Peter Bengtsson 28 May '01

28 May '01

Can you please tell me _how to use the ZSyncer_. I don't dare to experiment with it too much in case of serious data loss. What I want to do is to transmit a bunch of objects over from my localhost to my public server. I might also want to do it the other way around, but the problem is that my localhost is behind a firewall so it doesn't have an address that I can type into the public server. It might be obvious, but what am I supposed to write in the Destinations lines property. Thanks a lot, Peter

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Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
by Robert Boulanger 28 May '01

28 May '01

> Boa isn't much of a Windowing Toolkit for Zope. > Yes, it opens Zope objects. But so does emacs and Homesite ( and they both > do it right ). Wait until the end of this week, CVS will be updated then. Then you will find more Zope Support then as you can find in the most other Tools. > > BOA needs work. The most annoying thing is that I can't type > characters that > required the fingering of the [Alt Gr] button! > Learn from this americans and britons! Test your software on obscure > international keyboards. Look into preferences.py. There you find a setting for European Keyboard Support. Set it to 1 and Alt Gr works. This feature was included in Nov 2000. robert boulanger

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