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zope intranet development
by Kevin Sullivan 10 Aug '02

10 Aug '02

Hi, I am fairly new to the Zope world, but have chosen to undertake development of our department's intranet. We have been evaluating zope for some time now and toying with the CMF and plone. It seems that these tools are overly complex for what we need. We have no need for any sort of membership, simply just authentication and some degree of content ownership will suffice. For this we have chosen to build something more from the ground up. First, are there any simple tools that will help us to implement these goals? Also in starting to build the site, I am faced with choosing DTML or ZPT, any ideas on which is best for this type of project? I feel like I need a starting point in how to develop this project. I have a stack of zope and python book in front of me, along with numerous web resources, but don't know how to approach the overall design of this project. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance, Kevin Sullivan Systems Administrator MIT Economics Dept

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RE: [Zope] Newbie questions: Calling PageTemplates from Python, a nd getting meta-info on ZSQL method results
by Leeuw van der, Tim 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi, This page contains some very useful info. I have a question now about the contents of the data_dictionary in the resultset: Is there any indication whether a field is regarded a primary key by the database? Is there a non-database-specific way to find this out? I would find it quite useful to know this info. With regards, --Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Maik Jablonski [mailto:maik.jablonski@uni-bielefeld.de] > Sent: donderdag 8 augustus 2002 15:48 > To: Leeuw van der, Tim; zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Newbie questions: Calling PageTemplates > from Python, > and getting meta-info on ZSQL method results > > > Leeuw van der, Tim wrote: > > 2. How can I find out the fields which are in the resultset > of a ZSQL > > method, using either Python or PageTemplates? > > hi, > > have a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/spinwing/ZSQL_Results > > cheers, maik > -- > Maik Jablonski __o > www.zfl.uni-bielefeld.de _ \<_ Deutsche Zope User Group > Bielefeld, Germany (_)/(_) www.dzug.org >

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EasyImage, PIL and GIF
by Jaroslav Lukesh 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi all, Does anybody know how to resize GIF->GIF (not GIF->PNG) images with PIL? It exists some versions or addons to that possibility? Many thanks, J. Lukesh

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interpreting DTML
by Ryan Lea 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi What i am trying to do is highlight particular words/phrases in a DTML Document. What i need to do is read in src dtml from a document, modify it then output it onto the screen (interpreted) I am currently using "_.getitem(var_name).document_src()" to get the src of the document as a string which seems to be working fine. The string manipulation is easy enough, there are no problems with that either. The problem is now that i have the modified DTML src in a string, there seems to be no way to have it output the interpreted version of it. (HTML tags get rendered, just DTML tags don't get interpretd) It leaves the dtml tags still in it so any dtml-var's i have for images don't get interpreted and neither do things like <dtml-var standard_html_header>. If i save the string to an object then render that object it will work, but there has to be a way of doing it without cluttering up the ZODB. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Ryan

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problem with Zeo, it hangs a lot and never reply the request
by Gustavo M. Palomares Reyes 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi!! I was using Zope with zeo, two client machines, connecetd to a main machine. I was running this for about a month, and it was working OK. For some reason, that i dont know, stop working. I didn't change any configuration in any of the computers, the problem started a week and a half ago, but these monday the Zeo crash. This is the problem: If i start zope with ZEO, when a client request a page the ZeoClient hangs a lot and never reply the request. What i meant is that the browser mantain an Status of "opening www.mydomain.com" (on IE)but never display the page, and never tell me any error. In Nestacpe sent me a "Time Out Request", and in Lynx stays in a status of "Waiting for reply". Fir0st of all i thought that may be was a communication problem, but I use Lynx locally and does the same thing. Secondly i thougth it may be was the Squid cache, but here i my reason to think that is ZEO: If start Zope without ZEO (No ZSS and no Client servers, only one machine running Zope and point all my squid caches to the server running zope) the site works fine, display the pages fine. And if I start the ZSS and the CS in the machines the site does the problem above mentioned. I use this command to start ZEO (the same config that appears in the Zope Book) python lib/python/ZEO/start.py -p 8800 -h 192.168.0.1 My clients run with the custom_zodb.py with 192.168.0.1 as the host and 7700 as the server port. The clients listen on the 8080 port. Just for the record i have running Client servers in all the machines (the ones with the squid and the one with the ZSS running) I have cheked teh stupid_log_file, the Z2.log and the one that zope creates with -M parameter, and neither of them sent me some error or tell me that something is wrong. I tried to use the configuration that Kedai shows in the zope site (http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/UseZeoZope) but i run in some problems when i try to start the clients This the output of the ZEO_EVENTS.log(using the kedai method) host zope]# tail -f var/ZEO_EVENTS.log ------ 2002-08-07T04:09:05 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Aug 6 23:09:05 2002: Houston, we have forked ------ 2002-08-07T04:09:05 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Aug 6 23:09:05 2002: Hi, I just forked off a kid: 25027 ------ 2002-08-07T04:09:05 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Aug 6 23:09:05 2002: Houston, we have forked ------ 2002-08-07T04:09:10 INFO(0) ZEO Server Serving main: <ZODB.FileStorage.FileStorage instance at 0x83085d4> ------ 2002-08-07T04:09:10 INFO(0) ZEO Server Listening on ('192.168.0.1', 7700) The ZEO server starts aparently fine and when i start the client this what it sents me to the output zope]# Unhandled exception in thread: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZEO/zrpc.py", line 94, in connect self.aq_parent.notifyConnected(s) File "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZEO/ClientStorage.py", line 143, in notifyConnected LOG("ClientStorage", INFO, "Connected to storage") File "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/zLOG/__init__.py", line 130, in LOG log_write(subsystem, severity, summary, detail, error) TypeError: object of type 'None' is not callable Hope some one can help me. I couldnt tested with the Kedai configuration because of the problem of the client... And in the form that i read in the Zope Book has the hangs. Thx Tavo

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Insert in DB using ZPT+SQL
by Chetan Kumar 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi all I want to insert data using ZPT. I have no problems with getting data from the ZSQL object. The same login does not seem to work for insertion of data. I am aware of the trick using DTML. Anybody with tips please respond. TIA Chetan

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stupid question- ZSQL
by Erik Stokhof 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi all, I'm a relative newbie in Zope, but I have Zope 2.3.3, and now I'd like to manipulate data from an sql query in a python script. I read http://www.zope.org/Members/spinwing/ZSQL_Results , but as soon as I start asking for container.<query>().dictionaries() I get an attribute error. So I had a look at the code, it's there. attributes, names, tuples, everything. Only I can't access half of them. Help Help. Any pointers? -Erik PS what I *really* want to do is similar to this: list 1 contains types of lists list 2 contains people on those lists query: select list1.id, if(list2.list1_id=list1.id,'checked','') where list2.person_id = xxxx this shoud ideally give me a table with 1 checked 2 checked 3 4 checked or something like that. Only SQL doesnt; work like that, so I actually need to do: select list1_id from list2 where person_id=xxxx (gives me a list of ids) select list1.id, if(list1.id in <the list of ids>,'checked','') where list2.person_id = xxxx Now how to make the list, which simply needs to look like "1,2,4"

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Structured text and MySQL
by Nicolas Évrard 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hello, I use MySQL to keep informations about my comics. In this DB, I've got a field with structured text in it. When I render it, it just render fine except when I use non-ascii caracters ie *foo* -> <em>foo</em> but *école* -> *école* Is there any work around ?? -- (°> Nicolas Évrard / ) Liège - Belgique ^^

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Re: EasyImage, PIL and GIF
by Josef Meile 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

> Does anybody know how to resize GIF->GIF (not GIF->PNG) images with PIL? What's about PythonMagick (http://pythonmagick.procoders.net)? It's a python module to access ImageMagick (http://www.imagemagick.org) a library set to manipulate several image types. I'm not sure if it works. I just read a little bit and it says that it supports gifs. I hope it helps, Josef

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RE: [Zope] Zope Documentation
by Breuer, Yvon 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Douwe wrote: > I think there are two issues here at stake. One, the Zope > documentation, which is actually quite ok. There's the book, > there are a number of howto's and there is the source code, > which is really readable. I understand what you mean, but... Why is it then that it regularly occurs that I see a question on the mailinglist that gets an answer like: "You shouldn't use product A, but B..."? Followed by: "Because" "it's no good..." or "it's not maintained any more..." or "with B you can also..." or "in B you don't have to...". > The second issue is the nature of Zope. Guido van Rossums dictum > that there should be one perfect way to do something, doesn't fly > for Zope and in that way Zope is more like Perl then Python. > For one problem, there are lots of solutions, different products, > different approaches, different programming languages (DTML, > Page Templates, Python). There is no one true way. Some people > write complete applications in DTML, others package everything in > products written in Python. Yes, very confusing at first sight. > > If there is no one true way, there is no one true set of documentation. > > Of course I do agree that better documentation is always better. Maybe we shouldn't talk about a true way, but about a *preferred* way. I really think it's a damn pity to learn something, try it, have problems and finally find out I'd better done it in another way. That's not very encouraging. Don't you agree? Best regards, Yvon Breuer > -----Original Message----- > From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of > Breuer, Yvon > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:01 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Cc: zope(a)toenjes.com; jprice22(a)wvu.edu > Subject: [Zope] Zope Documentation > > > Hi *, > > I *really* think it's time to make a strong effort to get a better Zope > documentation. According to me many people agree that something needs > to be done. But I also think that it's not very clear *how* it should > be done the best way... > > Trevor Toenjes has made a very good 'beginning'! (Although beginning > probably isn't the best term for it.) Maybe it's sufficient to extend > his work with some ideas from Patrick Price. I'd like to ask you *all* > to (re)think about *what* needs to be documented and *how*. > > We need two types of users for this discussion: > 1. experienced users: > Together (!) they know what's good about Zope, they know the best (or > 'preferred' products, they know what should be the best way to *learn* > and how to *use* Zope, they know which questions are asked many time, > etc. etc. > 2. unexperienced users: > Together (!) they know what is missing, what is unclear, they still > have a fresh look at Zope and probably wonder why something is done > 'this way' and not 'the other way'. > > Don't forget that the early users have grown into Zope and it's continuing > expansion (as in users, as in complexity, as in possibilities, as in ...). > It looks like newcomers can't see the forest anymore because of all those > trees standing in the way... (It's a freely translated Dutch saying.) > > Last example (see other examples below!!!): > I'm working myself through the ZopeBook at the moment. It's *really* > helpfull and I learn constantly, but: > At first I read about DTML, about how good it is and it's possibilities. > Eveything ok. After that I started to read about Page Templates. Again > even more (and nice) possibilities, but it also said somewhere that it's > better to use Page Templates instead of DTML... So, why learn DTML first? > A bit further it's even said that it is even better to do everything with > Python... So, why not forget all about Page Tamplates and continue with > Python? > Isn't that strange? Isn't it confusing? When do use what? And Why? > Which products exist? What do they do? How do you know? Is it a good > product (according to the community)? Is there a newer/better product? > > Please, take it up! > > Best regards, > > Yvon Breuer > > > Patrick Price wrote: > > Idea mode on: > > > > Is there any kind of Zope Tutorial Tool out there? Something for > > throwing together instructional pages like the Zope Tutorial? > > Something that could be used for ANY kind of tutorial, slide show, > > web-based learning, etc. > > > > At the very least a more comprehensive tutorial than focusing on Elvis > > sightings (which is a good tutorial, don't get me wrong) > > > > And before you tell me to write one myself, I have to learn Zope and > > Python first... By then I'll have some good ideas of what to put in a > > tutorial, but by that time I'll know Zope and everything that's now > > unclear will become clear, and I'll think "Why bother? That's *basic* > > stuff." > > > > Rant: > > While I'm on the subject of documentation, it would be nice if > every doc > > standardized on having sections like: > > > > What do I do with this? Practical example for the uninitiated. Like, > > "if you don't understand authentication, look at *this* link." before > > you even try to use this product. In other words, not only show the > > *software* dependencies, but show the *knowledge* dependencies. Think > > how fewer emails you'd get from people like me asking silly questions. > > > > What does it look like? Screenshot? (Save me the bother of installing > > yet another calendar package, trying to figure out how to use it, then > > seeing that the output is *crap*, and uninstalling and having had to > > restart the server *twice*.) I *love* product pages that have > > screenshots or show an image of what the control will look like. > > > > and > > > > When you have a nice web page with cool widgets/whatnots, tell people > > how it was implemented in size-2 type or something. Are you > afraid I'll > > steal your design? Hey, that's how I learn! The ZDP comes to mind. > > How do they do that? Is it mentioned on that page? Nope. No, "this > > wiki based on wackproductZ and CMF". I see so many nice web layouts > > and have *no* idea how they were done, what products were used, nada. > > It's a shame. > > > > People learn stuff then take it for granted. > > > > Ah, the curse of learning. Thanks for letting me spam. Filter on. > > > > -Patrick Price > > Trevor Toenjes wrote: > > There has been a community project afoot that stalled a few > months ago to > > address much of your concern with documenting products. It > stalled because > > developing a production process that fits everyone's current development > > skill level, favorite tools, and time commitments is challenging. > > The NZO (new.zope.org) project is meant to be THE community project to > > alleviate ZC's sole duties of maintaining the community's website. > > > > Below is a link to the new Products screen that is only waiting > for final > > development and then deployment. > > http://www.zope.org/Members/trevor/productspage/ > > > > We need HELP! to finish this project. Migrating the old > "software product" > > data to the new schema requires much more time than just > conceiving a GUI. > > > > Now that you know that ZC is trying to get the community to control all > > documentation on zope.org, please join the zope-web(a)zope.org > mailing list > > and lend a hand. PLEASE, pretty please. We, as a community, > just need to > > pick up the ball and finish the game. > > > > Yvon had a couple new subtle points that I will add to the > "vision" of the > > new products section. > > > > Cheers, > > Trevor > > > > > > Jack, Charlie, and Yvon supposedly said: > > > > Jack Coates wrote: > > > > > So, speaking as a perennial Zope newbie, I have to say that I'm > > > > > getting nervous about seeing all the things that I use fall > > > > > one-by-one into the "that's depreciated, use this other cool > > > > > product instead." I don't think I have a right to complain, > > > > > but I'm complaining any way :-) > > > > Charlie Reiman wrote: > > > > Technically, no, you don't have a right to complain but you do > > > > have a very good point. I'd like to echo it and point out the > > > > problem is exacerbated by zope.org not having a strong way of > > > > marking docs and products as deprecated. > > > > I hate finding a cool product, downloading and installing, > > > > only to learn it fell out of fashion with 2.something. > > > > Ideally, such pages should be marked and linked to whatever is > > > > the latest greatest substitute or just marked as dead to Zopes 2.x+ > > > > Yvon Breuer wrote: > > > I totally agree! > > > > > > Maybe it's an idea to create a list (or database, or spreadsheet)on > > > Zope.org that shows the 'preferred product' per task. > > > Since I'm quite new to Zope it's better that someone more experienced > > > creates it AND keeps it up to date (otherwise it wouldn't be > usefull :-) > > > > > > Something like this I think would be helpfull: > > > - task > > > - short task description > > > - preferred product > > > - short preferred product description > > > - since when it's a preferred product > > > - since which Zope-version it's a preferred product > > > - link to extensive product description > > > > > > Hopefuly somebody has a crack at it. ;-) > > > > > > Yvon Breuer > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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