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Zope vs. PHP
by Ben Glazer 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

In the process of evaluation tools for designing database-backed dynamic web sites, I have narrowed the choices down to PHP and another product which you may have heard a few things about, Zope. I have a few questions about Zope. 1. Do any tools exist to make it easy to upload/download an entire website? What about transferring the Zope database over FTP? (The real question here is "How do people backup their remotely-hosted Zope websites?") 2. Is it easy to have multiple Zope databases? 3. Is there an easy way to do a global search-and-replace over an entire Zope-based web site? 4. Is there a way to write DTML macros? For example, presume that in my site, I always open tables like this: <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> Is there any way to write a dtml tag, say "dtml-table", to abbreviate this? I'm not very familiar with Zope yet; is there a better way to accomplish this task? Additionally, how easy is it to code new DTML tags? I'm relatively well-versed in Python. Also, if anyone has used both Zope and PHP, I'd be very interested to see a (more or less) objective comparison of the two. Clearly, this forum favors Zope. Are there situations in which PHP is a better choice? Has anyone yet written a detailed comparison of the two products? Thank you very much in advance for any help or suggestions you have to offer. I'm extremely impressed so far with the quality of Zope and the responsiveness of the Zope community. Thanks, Ben

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Re: [Zope] Building a list programmatically under DTML
by Timothy Grant 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

Kevin Dangoor wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Grant (by way of Martijn Pieters <mj(a)antraciet.nl>) > <tjg(a)avalongroup.net> > To: zope(a)zope.org <zope(a)zope.org> > Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Zope] Building a list programmatically under DTML > > >I was under the impression that the <dtml-in> tag would do this, > >however, > > > ><dtml-in desc> > ><dtml-var "_['sequence-item']"> > ></dtml-in> > > > >gives me the entire list, not each individual item. > > That loop should display the entire list... but it does it one element at a > time. If you do: > > <ul> > <dtml-in desc> > <li><dtml-var sequence-item></li> > </dtml-in> > </ul> Unfortunately, neither the above, nor any other kinds of list making, paragraph making or line breaking give me what I expect. The about I get is always in "list" format ['item 1', 'this is item 2', 'I am the third item in the list'] So, I *know* its a list, why won't the "in" tag work, do I have to do some sort of name space tweaking? Also, I should pass along that the list is passed to the form using the following html snippet <input type="hidden" name="desc:list" value="<dtml-var desc>"> I get the same response whether using the above syntax for desc or the new syntax &dtml-desc; Thanks for your help. -- Stand Fast, tjg. Red Hat Certified Engineer tjg(a)avalongroup.net Chief Technology Officer www.avalongroup.net Avalon Technology Group, Inc. (503) 246-3630 >>>>>>>>>>>>Exceptional Minds, Innovative Products<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Re: [Zope] view_source???
by Kevin Dangoor 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

I just went to: http://www.zope.org:18200/view_source/view_source Here was the result:  <pre>  </pre>   -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Sam Castillo <fsam(a)proyecto-web.com.mx> To: zope(a)zope.org <zope(a)zope.org> Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: [Zope] view_source??? >Hi, I was wondering how can I make my site show me he DTML source as on >zope.org??? is it possible or is this just a special feature of the zope >site? > >Sam > > >_______________________________________________ >Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > >(To receive general Zope announcements, see: >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > >For developer-specific issues, zope-dev(a)zope.org - >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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view_source???
by Francisco Sam Castillo 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

Hi, I was wondering how can I make my site show me he DTML source as on zope.org??? is it possible or is this just a special feature of the zope site? Sam

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RE: [Zope] Zope+Apache config
by Michel Pelletier 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Wilson [mailto:wilson@chemsun.chem.umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:41 PM > To: Zope Listserv > Subject: [Zope] Zope+Apache config > > > Hi everyone, > > I'm configuring Zope to work with Apache. A quick question: > > I compiled Zope 2.0 with > > # python w_pcgi.py > > Then I started up Zope by typing #./start -p '' & > No problems. My site was available at http://foo.bar:8080/ > -p '' *disables* PCGI. -Michel

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allowing users to create their own accounts
by veritas 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

hi all! i have been using Zope for a couple of days now, and lovin' it..... although, i do have a question: i'm working on a site which allows anyone to create an account and with that account submit articles via a form on a submission page. basically, i am trying to get this to a point in which anyone with an account can add articles or perhaps edit their existing articles, so on, so forth. then once an article is posted it sends me an email to check it out. once i approve it, i then use Zope's versioning abilities, I could then publish that object which would allow anyone to see it. my question is this, knowing that this very much possible with Zope, how might one go about implementing something like this? ok, i am going to sneak another question under the radar: would it be better to use the native "object database" or perhaps a sql based db? or do i lose the versioning abilities if i dont use the object db as the primary means in which to publish? any suggestions? veritas ------ Do you do Linux? :) Get your FREE @linuxstart.com email address at: http://www.linuxstart.com

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RE: [Zope] Zope Performance and Large Databases
by Michel Pelletier 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: davidbro(a)namshub.org [mailto:davidbro@namshub.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:24 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Zope Performance and Large Databases > > > How much stuff can Zope (or more properly ZODB3) handle in a folder > before things get hairy and/or slow and buggy? Folder are not meant to hold thousands and thousands of objects *in one folder*. For this, you should store your data by more efficient means, like a BTree, multiple heirarchical(sp?) folders, or a relational database. The same things happens with, for example, linux directories. They are not meant to hold on the order of a thousand files efficiently. If you do pack a folder full of objects, things will not get 'hairy' or buggy, just slow. Note that *traversal* doesn't get noticably slower (meaning, the 'fetching' of /X/Y/Z when 'Y' contains thousands of objects) just the *listing* and managment of folders gets very slow. > I want to use Zope as the center of my Home Automation intranet. Cool. > One of the applications of that HA intranet would be to control the > MP3's playing throughout the house. Now, it seems that the best place > to store the information about all the MP3's (artist, album, genre, > actual location, etc) would be in a relational database that Zope > hits, but I also wondered if I could use ZClasses and ZCatalog to > manage the information. Sure. Either solution would give reasonable performance over a small to medium scale. I would personally use ZClasses with ZCatalog. We have a customer who keeps almost 10000 objects in ZCatalog with no perceptable delay. Because ZCatalog uses BTrees, finding one object out of a million typically requires less than 20 'comparison' operations. I think that 'theoretically' ZCatalog can scale into the order of hundreds of thousands of objects, but that is just my personal opinion (cuz I wrote it) not any kind of official guarantee. > But being that I have several gigs of MP3's (don't start about > copyright stuff, these are ripped from my CD collection), we're > talking about a large number of ZClass instances (one per song) stored > in the ODB. Be aware that this will make your Zope object database massive and increse your memory requirements. Perhaps it would be simpler to just serve the actualy MP3s out of a static Apache and let Zope just handle the 'meta' information? If your running Linux, don't forget that ext2fs has a 2GB file size limit. > How robust is the ODB in these sorts of situations? Has there been > any testing of Zope with large (I had a boss that didn't think a > database was interesting until it had at least a gig of information in > it) amounts of data? I know that current file system limits in Linux > put an artificial cap on DB size, but you can still get really big > before hitting the limitation. One things I think you are bit confused about is the difference between storage (ZODB) and indexing the storage (ZCatalog). Their respective features and performance issues should be looked at seperately. ZODB is very robust and has no problem scaling into gigs of data. of course, many databases are also as robust as this. -Michel

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RE: [Zope] newbie zpasswd question
by Michel Pelletier 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Anderson [mailto:sanderson@ttm.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:47 PM > To: michel(a)digicool.com > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zpasswd question > > > I get the same result using both the system Python and the included > Python. > > Well, that's not entirely true. Using the included Python, I get: > > Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix> > Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] > 'import exceptions' failed; use -v for traceback > Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Traceback (innermost last): > File "zpasswd.py", line 90, in ? > import sys, string, sha, binascii, whrandom, getopt, getpass, os > ImportError: No module named string > > This is Zope 2.0.0 final, incidentally. > How are you starting zope, from what directory are you starting it, and as what user? It looks like your python is not finding any of it's libraries, which means it is misconfigured somehow. Seeing as this is not being reported by anyone else, I suspect this is a misconfiguration on your part, not that of the Zope release. You could prove me wrong, of course. -Michel

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Re: [Zope] newbie zpasswd question
by Scott Anderson 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

I get the same result using both the system Python and the included Python. Well, that's not entirely true. Using the included Python, I get: Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] 'import exceptions' failed; use -v for traceback Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (innermost last): File "zpasswd.py", line 90, in ? import sys, string, sha, binascii, whrandom, getopt, getpass, os ImportError: No module named string This is Zope 2.0.0 final, incidentally. Regards, -scott michel(a)digicool.com wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Anderson [mailto:sanderson@ttm.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 2:46 PM > > To: zope(a)zope.org > > Subject: [Zope] newbie zpasswd question > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm trying to use zpasswd... python comes back with "ImportError: No > > module named sha" > > > > The python you are using does not have the SHA module compiled in. > > Either use the binary release of Zope if your platform is supported or > > recompile Python with the necessary module. For information on this, > see the Python documentation. > > -Michel > > > What did I miss? > > > > Regards, > > -scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > > > (To receive general Zope announcements, see: > > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > > > For developer-specific issues, zope-dev(a)zope.org - > > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > >

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base href weirdness
by davidbro＠namshub.org 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

Interesting. If you get a page from Zope by requesting the name of the folder, it renders whatever index_html it finds (either in the folder or by acquisition), and adds a "<base href="location of your zope server">" to the generated HTML. If you ask for the object directly, like "http://my.site/Zope/index_html", no "<base href="...">" is generated. Why is this? And why is the "base href" necessary? I've never seen it anywhere other than Zope (of course, I don't do a "view source" on every site I visit). dave (<base href="mailto:davidbro@namshub.org">)

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