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Re: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router
by Bill Randle 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

I just ran a traceroute from here to zope.org and got pretty reasonable response times. Now if I try for "zope.com", that's a different story.... Here's the traceroute: saab# traceroute zope.org traceroute to zope.org (209.67.167.110), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 flamebait.coinet.com (192.168.100.1) 7 ms 2 ms 1 ms 2 ns.coinet.com (204.245.234.8) 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms 3 gw-mtj.mtjeff.com (204.119.16.254) 37 ms 19 ms 39 ms 4 s5-3-1.pdx10.or.nw.verio.net (199.2.96.193) 76 ms 35 ms 31 ms 5 fe4-0-0.pdx0.verio.net (129.250.30.129) 24 ms 41 ms 57 ms 6 pdx0.smf1.verio.net (129.250.3.21) 110 ms 60 ms 71 ms 7 smf1.smf0.verio.net (129.250.3.17) 77 ms 74 ms 44 ms 8 smf0.pao5.verio.net (129.250.3.13) 75 ms 77 ms 41 ms 9 ibr01-p6-0-0.sntc02.exodus.net (209.1.169.81) 51 ms 69 ms 76 ms 10 209.185.9.210 (209.185.9.210) 39 ms 43 ms 59 ms 11 bbr02-p1-1.sntc03.exodus.net (209.185.9.49) 64 ms 75 ms 53 ms 12 bbr02-p2-0.sntc02.exodus.net (209.185.249.145) 60 ms 107 ms 57 ms 13 bbr01-p6-0.sntc02.exodus.net (209.1.169.241) 71 ms 72 ms 75 ms 14 bbr01-p5-0.irvn01.exodus.net (209.185.249.218) 83 ms 113 ms 55 ms 15 dcr02-p6-0-0.irvn01.exodus.net (209.185.249.21) 65 ms 52 ms 53 ms 16 rsm-ir-b-vl920.lan.exodus.net (209.67.128.102) 112 ms 124 ms 67 ms 17 www.zope.org (209.67.167.110) 52 ms 60 ms 84 ms -Bill Randle Central Oregon Internet billr(a)coinet.com

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RE: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router
by Michel Pelletier 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Robertson [mailto:sroberts@codeit.com] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:39 PM > To: Robert OConnor > Cc: zope(a)zope.org; support(a)codeit.com; traceroute(a)codeit.com > Subject: Re: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router > > > > > Exodus claims that they are aware of the problem and our in > the process of > upgrading the bandwidth to their various peering points. Same > old story. > They've requested that I send them traceroutes from the troubled > connections. I figured we could have some fun with this, if > the zope list > is willing to help. If anybody thinks that the zope.org is > running slow > could you please e-mail a traceroute to traceroute(a)codeit.com. > > Thanks in advance for your help! > > Hmm.. the thing is traceroutes are just so useless for this kind of evaluation. IMO, the best method for determining where the fault lay are two mtrs, one from the source to the destination and vice versa (mtr is a program that runs a traceoute, and then continuously pings each router along the route giving you a real time packet loss figure). Traceroutes are just slices of the problem, and without capturing both sides of the link over a period of time they can be interpreted to mean just about anything. I think Exodus is stalling on you. My guess is they're going to take all your traceroutes and process them right into /dev/null. But perhaps the effort will stir some action there. Sorry to sound like a defeatest, but I have some bad memories dealing with any and all NSPs. -Michel > > >

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Other ZTables users?
by webman 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

hello, we are very interested in talking with and possibly creating a mailinglist for other ZTables users. especially since we are running into some major problems with the program -- for example ZTables doesn't support wildcards in searches. aaaaaaaaah! we were also told that this "was an interesting idea" and was "low" on their priority list. not a good way to go into the weekend. since the software is not open source and their is hardly ANY documentation for it we sure would appreciate talking with other ZTables users to exchange tips and tricks. its probably just too much of an enigma for one company to handle on its own. regards, webman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- webman | _ beehive GmbH | ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) berlin, Germany | - against HTML email X http://www.beehive.de | & vcards / \

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special html characters
by Sebastian Luehnsdorf 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

hi! i was wondering how zope handles special characters like umlauts and if it converts them automatically to html-friendly syntax (as in ä to ä). ciao, basti --------------------------------------------------------------------- sebastian f. luehnsdorf beehive elektronische medien gmbh --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://basti.beehive.de http://www.beehive.de mailto:basti@beehive.de mailto:service@beehive.de fon: (+49 30) 84 78 20 fax: (+49 30) 84 78 22 99

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Using Wildcards with ZTables Searches
by Alexander Schad 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

Hi all, I uploaded a Database to the Zope Server with the tabula creation assistent. I added a search form but when i try search for incomplete terms with and without wildcards it fails. Can you help me? Ciao, Alex

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RE: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router
by Michel Pelletier 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Robert OConnor [mailto:rocon@pivot.net] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 11:48 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router > > > Hi Michel, Thanks for the details > > >Do you dial in? If so, perhaps you can put some time into helping us > >reasearch this. Often, if you call up a dial up provider > and say "hey, > >I need a really solid connection to this one site... > > In this rural area of Maine, I have only one toll free choice for ISP > because I'm served by an independent telco not BellAtlantic. > Hey that's cool, the Maine part, my family live in Rockland. > I have contacted my ISP a subsidiary of the local telco to > register my complaint and recommend private peering > arrangements. > It could happen. Telcos are not known for having the highest quality Internet service when compared to a company who's only business is Internet. -Michel > -bobo connor bob(a)rocnet.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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Rewrites in Apache and Zope.cgi/manage
by Peter Toneby 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

Hi I want to have a site manage.site.org that when accessed brings up the Zope manage interface, but I can't figure out how to do that. If I set the DocumentRoot to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/manage I get not authorized but if I use a RewriteRule like ^/(.*) /usr/lib/cgi-bin/test.cgi/manage [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] I get authorized but I get like 10^10000 frames... Does anyone have a setup like this? Or any ideas on how to do it. /Peter Toneby -- We are the Povorg. You will be indented into the collective. /Ken Tyler (povray.binaries.images)

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Re: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router
by Robert OConnor 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

Hi Michel, Thanks for the details >Do you dial in? If so, perhaps you can put some time into helping us >reasearch this. Often, if you call up a dial up provider and say "hey, >I need a really solid connection to this one site... In this rural area of Maine, I have only one toll free choice for ISP because I'm served by an independent telco not BellAtlantic. I have contacted my ISP a subsidiary of the local telco to register my complaint and recommend private peering arrangements. -bobo connor bob(a)rocnet.com

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RE: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router
by Michel Pelletier 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Robert OConnor [mailto:rocon@pivot.net] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:05 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router > > > Again today I couldn't access the zope.com website. > The trace reveled: > > 1 1184 ms 109 ms 105 ms stan-m010.cybertours.com > [208.153.18.2] > 2 110 ms 110 ms 110 ms stan-r1.pivot.net [206.98.61.126] > 3 115 ms 115 ms 109 ms prtl-r0-e3-0.cyberTours.com > [206.98.60.253] > 4 120 ms 120 ms 114 ms borderx1-hssi4-0.Boston.cw.net > [204.70.179.109] > > 5 125 ms 129 ms 119 ms core-fddi-0.Boston.cw.net > [204.70.2.33] > 6 125 ms 120 ms * core4.WestOrange.cw.net [204.70.4.77] > 7 129 ms 124 ms 125 ms sprint3-nap.WestOrange.cw.net > [204.70.10.226] > 8 * 125 ms 119 ms pnnj-01.core.exodus.net > [192.157.69.25] > 9 * * 135 ms dcr01-h10-0-0.jrcy01.exodus.net > [209.1.169.209] > > 10 135 ms 130 ms 127 ms bbr01-p1-3.jrcy01.exodus.net > [216.32.173.122] > 11 130 ms 135 ms 131 ms bbr01-p5-0.hrnd01.exodus.net > [209.185.249.214] > 12 140 ms 124 ms 134 ms bbr02-p6-0.hrnd01.exodus.net > [209.185.249.2] > 13 220 ms 204 ms 205 ms bbr02-p0-1.irvn01.exodus.net > [209.185.9.206] > 14 205 ms 204 ms 205 ms dcr02-p0-0-0.irvn01.exodus.net > [209.185.249.9] > 15 210 ms 205 ms * rsm-ir-b-vl920.lan.exodus.net > [209.67.128.102] > 16 269 ms * * zope.org [209.67.167.110] > 17 204 ms 205 ms * zope.org [209.67.167.110] > 18 * 205 ms 204 ms zope.org [209.67.167.110] > > Is there a problem with an exodus.net router. Is exodus.net > the zope ultimate provider? > > This is the third time this week. > Bob(o), I don't want to be biased here, because Scott does a great job for us and I might get the feeling of backing him despite hard facts about his provider (Exodus). I do have a bit of background in this, because I used to own an ISP. We have had occasional problems getting responsiveness from codeit, but nowhere near as bad as it used to be when we had our old connection. The old connection was slow or dead all the time, day or night. With Erols, our new provider, maybe two or three times a week, at about 2-3pm, for a few minutes, the response is slow. I write this off as bad Internet weather. Our old provider, however, just plain stank, and so did their provider, Cable and Wireless (cw.net) The thing about traceroutes is they're deceptive. From your perspective it looks like it's Exodus's fault, but where, really, is that packet getting dropped? Remember, traceroute's use ICMP, and ICMP 'dropped packet' datagrams are not generated for other ICMP datagrams. So it may look like an exodus router is unreachable or is dropping packets, when it was really a Cable and Wireless router that dropped the ICMP *reply*. There is really quite a bit of action going on, and no way to tell where the packes are really getting dropped. Sometimes, a router may seem 100% reachable when you ping (traceroute) it, but if you ping or traceroute *through* it, the chances or a packet getting droped increase alot. This makes it look like the problem is beyond that router, when it is really that router. If we ran a traceroute to *you*, I wouldn't doubt it if it looked exactly the opposite situation. So who's fault is it? It could be many things. I don't want to get into the problems with overload at NAP exchange points, and then there's the political issues: Provider X is sending much more packets over Y's network than Y is over X's, so Y throttles back their router to toss the difference and 'level' the 'field'. I do know these things: 1) Our old provider went through Cable and Wireless, and the access sucked *all the time*. 2) We now use Erols, and the access is good, *most of the time*. 3) Every and all exchange points (NAPs) on the Internet are 100%+ capacity during peak hours. 4) Traceroutes are deceptive for all measurements, except unidirectional hop counts (packets usualy never take the same way back because of 'hot potato' routing) 5) Only hosting networks who can afford multiple large pipes (45Mb+) to dispersed providers can boast near perfect availability all the time. Codeit has a 10Mb connection to Exodus. The provider I ran had two T1s (3Mb). The ** are not meant to be emphasized, but to be mark off as qualifiers, nothing is ever true all the time on the Internet. Do you dial in? If so, perhaps you can put some time into helping us reasearch this. Often, if you call up a dial up provider and say "hey, I need a really solid connection to this one site, can I just try you out for a day to see if your better than what I got"? They'll sign you up and let you cancel the next day without charging you. Make a deal. Make sure they don't use the same NSP (National Service Provider, ie Cable and Wireless) as you do. Now, try the access from the other provider. Compare the ping times and traceroutes and see what comes up. -Michel > -bobo connor bob(a)rocnet.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] Usind Wildcards in Search fields
by Shaw, Howard 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

Your post isn't clear, but I assume you mean you connected an SQL database, and used the built in search forms. Most SQL servers accept a query of the form X like 'thus%' where percent is the same as * and underscore (_) is the same as ? in shell scripting. However, I have not used the built in search forms, so I don't know if they properly detect a '%' or '_' and switch to using like instead of equals. I doubt it, based on what I've read, so you'll probably have to rewrite the SQL queries. Howard C. Shaw III Programmer/SysAdmin St. Thomas High School > ---------- > From: Alexander Schad[SMTP:ags@beehive.de] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:52 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Usind Wildcards in Search fields > > Hello, > I added search forms to my uploaded database but all i can search for > are > complete words. When i type something like "a*" he finds nothing. > Is there a way to allow wildcard searches on a zope server? > Any help would be appreciated. > Ciao, > Alex > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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