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RE: [Zope] the big 3: directory, search, news
by Michel Pelletier 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Fast [mailto:fast@lights.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 11:54 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] the big 3: directory, search, news > > > 1. A directory hierarchy that structures all content on the intranet. > This part of an intranet is sometimes called a "Mini-Yahoo." 'Structure' is implicit in Zope. I'm not sure if you've discovered Zope's powerful mechanism called Acquisition, but with it you can design your application structure like a building, first you build the foundation, then add things to it in a sensible way. For this particular item I would say Zope excells better than most 'portal' products. > > 2. A search field connecting to a search engine that indexes all pages > on the intranet. Zope 1.10.2 does come with indexing machinery, and it's *fast*. The only thing is that it's pretty low level stuff, there isn't much for anyone to use unless they want to get their hands dirty with some Python. We have two products that use this quite alot, Tabula and Cataloging, but neither are Open Source. As I understand it there *may* be plans in the future to release these products to the community but I'm not sure, they keep us lowly developers in a small dark cave with 386s. In this area I'd say Zope scores a C+, but is learning fast. > > 3. Current news about the company and employee interests. Typically, > the intranet home page can replace traditional employee > newsletters and > the flood of email announcements and memos that reduce > productivity in > many companies. Coupling the news listings with an archive > and a good > search engine ensures that employees can retrieve information as > needed and frees them from having to store and manage local copies > (something that is very expensive considering the poor information > management capabilities of current email software). Hmm.. This sounds more like a specific web application then a fundemental feature of the framework. I would say that a product like this could be easily done with the two existing groupwear applications that exist, Confera and NotMail. > > Assuming he's write, and assuming that the Zope is being used > on intranets > and intranet-like environments, I'm wondering if these types of things > exist for Zope. If yes, where are they and how powerful are > they? If not, > would it be useful to build them and have them either > included with zope > or readily downloaded. The more zope can do out of the box, > the better. > Yes? > Absolutely. > Now I know what you're thinking, "Hey, a volunteer". I would > love to, but > I'm just learning zope and python and have been sick for > nearly 3 weeks, > putting me 5 or 6 weeks behind. I'm swamped. No time. Not enough > experience. Documentation, maybe. Code, not right now. Yeah yeah, excuses excuses. :) > > Oh, the Nielsen column is here: > > Intranet Portals: The Corporate Information Infrastructure > April 4, 1999 > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990404.html > > Cool. Thanks for the input. > >

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Wierd startup problem
by Shaw, Howard 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

I have Zope 1.10.2 and ZAP. Occasionally, when I restart my machine, ZAP starts, but when connected to, reports that "A Serious Application Error has occurred". If I then stop the ZAP server, start the ZopeHTTPServer, stop the ZHTTPS and restart the ZAP server, it works normally. Does anyone know why it would do this, or what I can do to correct it? I could put in the startup script a kludge to perform the start/stop/start but I would rather figure out what the problem is and correct it. Thank you. Howard C. Shaw III Programmer/SysAdmin St. Thomas High School

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RE: [Zope] Zope site's sidebar
by Michel Pelletier 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Craig B. Allen [mailto:cba@mediaone.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 11:39 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope site's sidebar > > > One is the sidebar on the zope site, it is the menu and > News column that > > runs down the left hand side. What is a sidebar_contents, > is it a object > > type, a folder, or something else? > > I'd say it's a method that returns a list, maybe from an internal or > external data store. > You can look at something here: > http://www.zope.org/dtml_source?path=/sidebar_contents&pp=1 > but in Zope > it's hard for me to be sure whether stuff is real or virtual. Anyway, > sidebar_contents seems to do something like I've been trying to > implement on my pages: display 'sibling' links but show the > current page > NOT as a link. > Good guess. It's actually a property of type 'Lines'. > > > The second thing that I had a question about was the navbar > that runs > > across the top of each page. Is that a static element stored in the > > highest folder of the different sections or dynamicly created? > > You can look at the code for the navbar using > http://www.zope.org/dtml_source?path=/pathlinks&pp=1 which I > discovered > after following the link you provided to the sidebar code. My python > skills are as yet almost nonexistent so the meaning of the code I can > only guess at, but I'd say it is generated dynamically. > Well it's dynamicaly generated from a staticly assigned variable, 'menu_bar_items'. :) It does not get anything from anywhere to generate it's code. It's actually a 'hook' for the future so that the navbar can be dynamic, but it was never improved upon. Look in the dictionary under 'cruft'. -Michel

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RE: [Zope] Has anyone tried authentication accross multiple serve rs?
by Brian Lloyd 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

> > > I've tried using cookie authentication with UserDB but so far > > > can not get it > > > to work. Everytime I try to login in it presents me with the > > > normal basic > > > authentication header. I believe this maybe something to do > > > with permissions > > > but so far can't figure it out. I am using IIS4 and have > > > turned of basic > > > authentication. > > > > The first thing to do here is to make sure that it is really > > Zope causing the authentication challenge, or if it is IIS4. > > You need to have _all_ authentication off in IIS and permissions > > set to allow "everybody" to run the zope cgi. > > > > Can you log into Zope using the superuser name and password? > > I can log in using the superuser password but any other user > gets rejected. > Restarting the browser makes no difference. If you turn off cookie authentication, do things work as expected? If so, be aware that using cookies for authentication is somewhat flaky - if you are ever authenticated through basic auth, that will take precedence over cookies from that point on in your browser session. The unfortunate fact is that the two methods just dont work terribly well together - you really want to make sure that users who use cookie authentication will _only_ use cookie authentication, not try to switch back and forth. One method I found useful when dealing w/cookie authentication was to use two different browsers - for example I would use IE strictly for using management screens and NS for looking at end-user (cookie- authenticated) urls... Hope this helps! Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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Re: [Zope] Search & replace across multiple files in multiple subdirectories?
by Timothy Cole 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

Piotr, I posed a similar question recently and have since undertaken to writing two new objects. 'Search Folder', and 'Search DTML Document'. To summarize, you can ask the 'Search Folder' object to search itself and all searchable objects within it, with optional recursion. The 'Search DTML Document' object can be searched directly or as a result of a request from the 'Search Folder'. I envinsion other objects being made searchable as well, although I don't have any need for them right now. I don't have any functional code yet, but will certainly post a Beta-Product as its available. Anyone have any suggestions/comments on where I'm going with this? -Tim ------------------- Is it possible to search & replace across multiple files in multiple subdirectories? Because ZOPE is storing files in a database I not able to do this using tools such as Windows Search&Replace utility. TIA Piotr

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RE: [Zope] Remote Administration under NT
by Brian Lloyd 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

> Hi guys > > I'm a real newbie here; downloaded Zope Friday night, been > playing and > reading and enjoying the web site. Much food for thought. Great! :) > I have the Manager module working fine on the localhost under > NTS using > Service Pack4 with no problems whatever, having disabled both Secure > and Basic authentication as instructed. > > However the same Network Domain Administrator cannot run the Manager > module remotely. I've puzzled over this, checked permissions and > generally tinkered with a few things and can't get my head > around this > one. It's not a critical failure right now, since I can pull > the server > screen up in an X-Win session and handle management functions as a > localhost login, but it would be nice to figure this one out. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here -- what do you mean by the "Manager module"? Do you mean the NT service that runs Zope? Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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Re: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router
by Robert OConnor 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

Hi Ken, Thanks for your note on Friday on zope.com NOT working. (Still not working Monday morning. I've used this as my default in the past to get to zope but will now use zope.org This does point out and reinforce Michel Pelletier's point about the usefulness of tracert. Below is the tracert for zope.com which seems to point to cw.net as the problem: Tracing route to www.zope.com [206.156.192.139] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 160 ms 140 ms 129 ms 208.153.17.1 2 399 ms 538 ms 275 ms stan-r1.pivot.net [206.98.61.126] 3 350 ms 160 ms 140 ms prtl-r0-e3-0.cyberTours.com [206.98.60.253] 4 164 ms 150 ms 145 ms borderx1-hssi4-0.Boston.cw.net [204.70.179.109] 5 146 ms 145 ms 140 ms core-fddi-0.Boston.cw.net [204.70.2.33] 6 158 ms 155 ms 155 ms core2.Washington.cw.net [204.70.4.189] 7 165 ms 155 ms 150 ms border6-fddi-0.Washington.cw.net [204.70.74.66] 8 169 ms 159 ms 155 ms infinet.Washington.cw.net [204.70.76.50] 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. The route that works is zope.org: Tracing route to zope.org [209.67.167.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 164 ms 135 ms 145 ms 208.153.17.1 2 135 ms 150 ms 135 ms stan-r1.pivot.net [206.98.61.126] 3 140 ms 150 ms 140 ms prtl-r0-e3-0.cyberTours.com [206.98.60.253] 4 230 ms 240 ms 200 ms borderx1-hssi4-0.Boston.cw.net [204.70.179.109] 5 155 ms 153 ms 150 ms core2-fddi0-0.Boston.cw.net [204.70.179.49] 6 155 ms 145 ms 149 ms core4.WestOrange.cw.net [204.70.4.77] 7 160 ms 159 ms 155 ms sprint3-nap.WestOrange.cw.net [204.70.10.226] 8 160 ms 164 ms 150 ms pnnj-01.core.exodus.net [192.157.69.25] 9 160 ms 170 ms 170 ms dcr01-h10-0-0.jrcy01.exodus.net [209.1.169.209] 10 165 ms 155 ms 160 ms bbr01-p1-3.jrcy01.exodus.net [216.32.173.122] 11 160 ms 160 ms 155 ms bbr01-p5-0.hrnd01.exodus.net [209.185.249.214] 12 165 ms 170 ms 170 ms bbr02-p6-0.hrnd01.exodus.net [209.185.249.2] 13 240 ms 230 ms 235 ms bbr02-p0-1.irvn01.exodus.net [209.185.9.206] 14 235 ms 235 ms 230 ms dcr01-p6-0-0.irvn01.exodus.net [209.185.249.17] 15 1875 ms 245 ms 235 ms rsm-ir-b-vl921.lan.exodus.net [209.67.128.70] 16 250 ms 250 ms 229 ms zope.org [209.67.167.110] Trace complete. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Manheimer <klm(a)digicool.com> To: 'Scott Robertson' <sroberts(a)codeit.com> Cc: Michel Pelletier <michel(a)digicool.com>; zope(a)zope.org <zope(a)zope.org>; 'billr(a)coinet.com' <billr(a)coinet.com> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [Zope] access to zope.com ? a bad router >On Friday, April 09, Scott Robertson sroberts(a)codeit.com wrote: >> > I just ran a traceroute from here to zope.org and got pretty >reasonable >> > response times. Now if I try for "zope.com", that's a different >story.... >> That's interesting two different DNS servers say zope.com is >> 206.156.192.139, shouldn't it be 209.67.167.110 ??? >Looks like the registered DNS stuff (NIC,etc) for the other zope domains >have to be revised - the right guys been notified. For now, though, the >thing to do is to not do that:-) (Ie, go to zope.org, not .com or >.net...) > >Ken Manheimer >klm(a)digicool.com

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RE: [Zope] Inheritance and __init__
by TFE MMS JARVIS JOHN 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

I think I found the answer: http://www.digicool.com/releases/ExtensionClass/ExtensionClass.html Changing the code for Zope to B.Zope: #--nothing.py-- <Various imports, etc.> from ExtensionClass import Base ###Added import supernothing class nothing(Base, ###Added supernothing.Supernothing, ##Changed position Acquisition.Implicit, Persistent, AccessControl.Role.RoleManager, OFS.SimpleItem.Item ): """Blank skeleton class. """" <Various manage settings, etc> def __init__(self,id,title,greeting): self.id=id self.title=title nothing.inheritedAttribute('__init__')(self,greeting) ##Changed <the rest...> Fixes it. All I can guess is that my base class and the Zope base classes were clashing somehow? I won't even try to pretend that I understand. ;^) Back to the mill... John Jarvis > -----Original Message----- > From: TFE MMS JARVIS JOHN [SMTP:jarvis.sd082@ex.tel.co.jp] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:16 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Inheritance and __init__ > > Hi! > > I'm kind of stuck: > I'm trying to write a product that is a subclass of some other class > that I wrote for something else. I'm having a problem with calling > the superclass's __init__ method from within the subclass's > __init__ method. > > It works within Python but not Zope. ? > > I don't have any comprehensible code to show, so here's > some test code I've been using: > > The superclass: > > #--supernothing.py-- > class Supernothing: > def __init__(self,greeting="hello"): > self.greeting=greeting > > def sayhi(self): > return self.greeting > > The subclasses look something like: > > A.Python only: > #--subnothing.py -- > import supernothing > class Subnothing(supernothing.Supernothing): > def __init__(self,greeting="I'm here!"): > supernothing.Supernothing.__init__(self,greeting) > > B.Zope: > #--nothing.py-- > <Various imports, etc.> > import supernothing > class nothing(Acquisition.Implicit, > Persistent, > AccessControl.Role.RoleManager, > OFS.SimpleItem.Item, > supernothing.Supernothing): > """Blank skeleton class. > > """" > > <Various manage settings, etc> > > def __init__(self,id,title,greeting): > self.id=id > self.title=title > supernothing.Supernothing.__init__(self,greeting) # This is line > 50 > > <bunch of other stuff> > > def addNothing(self,id,title,REQUEST=None,greeting='I am nothing!'): > """Add a Nothing object. > > """ > obj=nothing(id,title, greeting) > self._setObject(id,obj) > > <the rest...> > > Version A works (in the Python interpreter, of course). Version B > gives an error(in Zope): > Traceback (innermost last): > File /usr/lib/python1.5/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 877, in > publish_module > File /usr/lib/python1.5/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 590, in publish > (Info: /queries/pictest/manage_addNothing) > File /usr/lib/python1.5/Products/nothing/nothing.py, line 81, in > addNothing > (Object: Navigation) > File /usr/lib/python1.5/Products/nothing/nothing.py, line 50, in > __init__ > (Object: RoleManager) > TypeError: unbound method must be called with class instance 1st argument > > Can anyone see what I am missing here? > > TIA! > John Jarvis > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Inheritance and __init__
by TFE MMS JARVIS JOHN 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

Hi! I'm kind of stuck: I'm trying to write a product that is a subclass of some other class that I wrote for something else. I'm having a problem with calling the superclass's __init__ method from within the subclass's __init__ method. It works within Python but not Zope. ? I don't have any comprehensible code to show, so here's some test code I've been using: The superclass: #--supernothing.py-- class Supernothing: def __init__(self,greeting="hello"): self.greeting=greeting def sayhi(self): return self.greeting The subclasses look something like: A.Python only: #--subnothing.py -- import supernothing class Subnothing(supernothing.Supernothing): def __init__(self,greeting="I'm here!"): supernothing.Supernothing.__init__(self,greeting) B.Zope: #--nothing.py-- <Various imports, etc.> import supernothing class nothing(Acquisition.Implicit, Persistent, AccessControl.Role.RoleManager, OFS.SimpleItem.Item, supernothing.Supernothing): """Blank skeleton class. """" <Various manage settings, etc> def __init__(self,id,title,greeting): self.id=id self.title=title supernothing.Supernothing.__init__(self,greeting) # This is line 50 <bunch of other stuff> def addNothing(self,id,title,REQUEST=None,greeting='I am nothing!'): """Add a Nothing object. """ obj=nothing(id,title, greeting) self._setObject(id,obj) <the rest...> Version A works (in the Python interpreter, of course). Version B gives an error(in Zope): Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/lib/python1.5/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 877, in publish_module File /usr/lib/python1.5/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 590, in publish (Info: /queries/pictest/manage_addNothing) File /usr/lib/python1.5/Products/nothing/nothing.py, line 81, in addNothing (Object: Navigation) File /usr/lib/python1.5/Products/nothing/nothing.py, line 50, in __init__ (Object: RoleManager) TypeError: unbound method must be called with class instance 1st argument Can anyone see what I am missing here? TIA! John Jarvis

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Remote Administration under NT
by Robert Neuschul 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

Hi guys I'm a real newbie here; downloaded Zope Friday night, been playing and reading and enjoying the web site. Much food for thought. I have the Manager module working fine on the localhost under NTS using Service Pack4 with no problems whatever, having disabled both Secure and Basic authentication as instructed. However the same Network Domain Administrator cannot run the Manager module remotely. I've puzzled over this, checked permissions and generally tinkered with a few things and can't get my head around this one. It's not a critical failure right now, since I can pull the server screen up in an X-Win session and handle management functions as a localhost login, but it would be nice to figure this one out. For background: all workstations [bar one] are NTW/SP3 or SP4. Only protocol is TCP/IP and there are both PDC and BDC machines: network is running DNS/DHCP/WINS. DC Servers are not part of the DHCP scope. Exception machine is running NT W2K beta. I've tried a quick search throught the FAQ's and mailing but can't find anything specific to this problem. Many thanks Robert Neuschul.

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