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ZServer licensing
by Tom Jenkins 20 Mar '99

20 Mar '99

Hello all, Since ZServer is based on Medusa, does a commercial enterprise have to pay the $200/computer license? Or is ZServer released under a true Open Source license (somehow)? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tom Jenkins DevIS (http://www.devis.com) Can the denizens of this group enlighten me about what the advantages of Python are, versus Perl? "python" is more likely to pass unharmed through your spelling checker than "perl". An unknown poster and Fredrik Lundh, 11 Sep 1998

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Re: [Zope] IRC channel
by Simon Michael 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

Fredy Villa <FVilla(a)GestaltTechnology.com> writes: > irc.cs.cmu.edu doesn't require it, last I checked. I get: [info] Connecting to irc.cs.cmu.edu port 6667... {irc.cs.cmu.edu} *** Looking up your hostname... {irc.cs.cmu.edu} *** Checking Ident {irc.cs.cmu.edu} *** Found your hostname [info] Not enough parameters: Not enough parameters [info] You have not registered

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RE: [Zope] ZServer licensing
by Paul Everitt 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

Simon wrote: > Christopher Petrilli <petrilli(a)amber.org> writes: > > probably corret the exact legal situation, but basically DC > bought an > > unlimited license to give it away ... say thank you :-) > > they *bought* it ? really ? We reached a mutually agreeable arrangement whereby Medusa could become the core for our object publishing system, under the Zope license. Definately turned out to be a win-win-win (Sam, DC, and Zope). --Paul

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RE: [Zope] OT: A petition condemning non-standard compliance in I E5
by Paul Everitt 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

Michael wrote: > Paul wrote: > > I love the "I'm not asking as Mr. Mega Big-wig, nor as My. > Hyper Star, > > I'm asking as a humble guy that singlehandedly saved the web" part. > > That paragraph is so pathetic, I can't believe he actually wrote it. > > Ooh, that is so harsh, dude. :^) OK, I agree, and I ought to just focus on his words rather than on him. Public retraction on the personal stuff, BUT I absolutely stand behind taking offense at the words. If you're going to lead an offensive based on principal, make the self-aggrandizement a bit more subtle. Hmm, didn't turn out to be much of a retraction. :^) --Paul

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RE: [Zope] OT: A petition condemning non-standard compliance in I E5
by Paul Everitt 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

Ahh yes, Glenn "Master of Self-Promotion" Davis has found a cause with which to attach his persona. Glenn got his start at InfiNet, our former majority owner. I remember when he shared a 10x10 office with the other Mac person there. I love the "I'm not asking as Mr. Mega Big-wig, nor as My. Hyper Star, I'm asking as a humble guy that singlehandedly saved the web" part. That paragraph is so pathetic, I can't believe he actually wrote it. IMO opinion, the only cause he is advancing is himself. It's a shame, because browser vendors _do_ need to be beaten into standards compliance and away from bait-and-switch. --Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bernstein [mailto:mbernstein@profitscape.net] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 2:38 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] OT: A petition condemning non-standard > compliance in IE5 > > > I apologize if for the off-topic nature of this post, but felt it was > too important to ignore. > > Microsoft has released IE5, which is non-compliant with many of the > standards that Microsoft has helped author. As widespread > compliance to > standards is one of the things that will greatly enhance Zopes success > in the marketplace (i.e. WebDAV, XML-RPC), I felt that this issue > deserved to be aired here too. > > The original statement from the WSP can be found at: > http://www.webstandards.org/ie5.txt > > Following is an email posted to another list I am on, as I think this > sums up the appropriate responses rather well. > > Michael Bernstein > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "A List Apart" <post(a)alistapart.com> > Subject: A List Apart - Special Announcement > To: "Michael Bernstein" <mbernstein(a)profitscape.net> > > Greetings Webmakers. > > The following is a special note from our friend Glenn Davis > regarding a > somewhat urgent and pressing issue. I won't waste time > talking about it, > as > the following explains it all quite well. I hope everyone finds it in > them > to support the cause. > > Thanks. > > -Brian M. Platz, ALA Co-Moderator > > > ------ > Greetings! > Since 1993 I've done my best to show everyone the good on > the web and > to > help anyone who wanted it gain the knowledge they needed to > create that > good. Today I'm asking for your help. I'm not asking not as Glenn > Davis, > CTO of Project Cool, and not as Glenn Davis, cofounder of The Web > Standards > Project. I'm asking as Glenn Davis, a man who, for the past six years > has > worked to make the web a better place for everyone. > Recently Microsoft released their 5.0 browser and after > all this time > there is still not 100% support for the standards that make web > development > easier. Standards that Microsoft helped create. > Below are three simple letters. Very to the point letters that ask > one > very simple question. I'm hoping that you'll pick just one of those > letters and use it to ask Microsoft the very simple question > within. If > you would copy just one of those letters into an email and send that > email > to wasp(a)microsoft.com I would very much appreciate it. This email > address > is one that Microsoft set up for email about standards. I'm > also asking > that you pass this email along to anyone else who has ever > tried to make > a > webpage. > My sincerest thanks for the help you provide. > > > Sincerely and simply, > Glenn Davis > > ------------------ > CSS-1 Letter-------- > > To: wasp(a)microsoft.com > > Dear Microsoft: > As a web developer who spends far too much time working > around browser > incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for > CSS-1 in your Internet Explorer browser. Could you please > respond with > the > date when I might expect this? > If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, > then please > let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking > for > long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you > respond with > either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never." > Sincerely, > (Your name here) > (Your company name here) > > > DOM Letter-------------- > > To: wasp(a)microsoft.com > > Dear Microsoft: > As a web developer who spends far too much time working > around browser > incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for > the > W3C DOM in your Internet Explorer browser. Please let me > know when that > will happen. A simple date will suffice for a response. > If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, > then please > let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking > for > long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you > respond with > either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never." > > Sincerely, > (Your name here) > (Your company name here) > > HTML 4.0 Letter-------------------- > > To: wasp(a)microsoft.com > > Dear Microsoft: > As a web developer who spends far too much time working > around browser > incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for > HTML > 4.0 in your Internet Explorer browser. On what date will this event > occur? > If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, > then please > let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking > for > long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you > respond with > either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never." > > Sincerely, > (Your name here) > (Your company name here) > > ------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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Web Application Software
by Benjamin Suto 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

I wonder just how robust Zope is. I am writing an internal application for a tour operator that I work for. Right now, I'm considering the software for a group quote program that will allow people on the Intranet or people travelling abroad with the groups to add or edit services on a complete group package. The kicker is that we need to access some btrieve files that are part of another accounting package that needs to be tied into this. Assuming I figure a way around the btrieve packages, is Zope robust enough to handle an application like this? All I've seen so far are shopping cart programs, but this would be much more complex. Are there any references to any pointers or any such information about just what Zope can do? I haven't been able to glean as much as I wanted from the site. Ben

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OT: A petition condemning non-standard compliance in IE5
by Michael Bernstein 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

I apologize if for the off-topic nature of this post, but felt it was too important to ignore. Microsoft has released IE5, which is non-compliant with many of the standards that Microsoft has helped author. As widespread compliance to standards is one of the things that will greatly enhance Zopes success in the marketplace (i.e. WebDAV, XML-RPC), I felt that this issue deserved to be aired here too. The original statement from the WSP can be found at: http://www.webstandards.org/ie5.txt Following is an email posted to another list I am on, as I think this sums up the appropriate responses rather well. Michael Bernstein -------- Original Message -------- From: "A List Apart" <post(a)alistapart.com> Subject: A List Apart - Special Announcement To: "Michael Bernstein" <mbernstein(a)profitscape.net> Greetings Webmakers. The following is a special note from our friend Glenn Davis regarding a somewhat urgent and pressing issue. I won't waste time talking about it, as the following explains it all quite well. I hope everyone finds it in them to support the cause. Thanks. -Brian M. Platz, ALA Co-Moderator ------ Greetings! Since 1993 I've done my best to show everyone the good on the web and to help anyone who wanted it gain the knowledge they needed to create that good. Today I'm asking for your help. I'm not asking not as Glenn Davis, CTO of Project Cool, and not as Glenn Davis, cofounder of The Web Standards Project. I'm asking as Glenn Davis, a man who, for the past six years has worked to make the web a better place for everyone. Recently Microsoft released their 5.0 browser and after all this time there is still not 100% support for the standards that make web development easier. Standards that Microsoft helped create. Below are three simple letters. Very to the point letters that ask one very simple question. I'm hoping that you'll pick just one of those letters and use it to ask Microsoft the very simple question within. If you would copy just one of those letters into an email and send that email to wasp(a)microsoft.com I would very much appreciate it. This email address is one that Microsoft set up for email about standards. I'm also asking that you pass this email along to anyone else who has ever tried to make a webpage. My sincerest thanks for the help you provide. Sincerely and simply, Glenn Davis ------------------ CSS-1 Letter-------- To: wasp(a)microsoft.com Dear Microsoft: As a web developer who spends far too much time working around browser incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for CSS-1 in your Internet Explorer browser. Could you please respond with the date when I might expect this? If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, then please let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking for long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you respond with either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never." Sincerely, (Your name here) (Your company name here) DOM Letter-------------- To: wasp(a)microsoft.com Dear Microsoft: As a web developer who spends far too much time working around browser incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for the W3C DOM in your Internet Explorer browser. Please let me know when that will happen. A simple date will suffice for a response. If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, then please let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking for long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you respond with either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never." Sincerely, (Your name here) (Your company name here) HTML 4.0 Letter-------------------- To: wasp(a)microsoft.com Dear Microsoft: As a web developer who spends far too much time working around browser incompatabilities, I need to know when you will offer full support for HTML 4.0 in your Internet Explorer browser. On what date will this event occur? If you don't plan to ever support 100% of this standard, then please let me know that also. I have my future to consider. I'm not asking for long excuses or explanations from you. I'd prefer that you respond with either the date on which that support will occur or the word "never." Sincerely, (Your name here) (Your company name here) -------------------

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frames and external method lookups
by Bill Randle 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

I have a DTML Document that references an External Method. This document is embedded inside another DTML document. If I view this document, then the page is rendered correctly. If I now take this document and reference it from a <frame> tag, Zope complains and says it can't find the external method. What's different here that causing me problems? Here's some more details, including the traceback: 1. Zope-1.10.2-linux2-x86 2. The innermost DTML docuemnt (lighttablebar) refers to the extermal method like this:  'looprange' is my external method and is located in the top level folder 'ltblSize' is a property of the document that "includes" this document. This innermost DTML docuemnt is also located in the top-level folder. 3. The next DTML document (lighttable_frame) includes the previous document with a simple #var command (in between some other html stuff):  This document has a property named 'ltblSize' defined as 6. This document lives two folders down from the top-level folder I can use the View tab in the manager to see the rendition of this page and it looks just fine and there are no complaints about looprange(). 4. If I include the previous DTML document in another DTML document that is specifying some frames, e.g.: <html> <head> <title>Stock Book</title> </head> <frameset rows="60%,40%"> <frame src="/Stockbook/LightTable/lighttable_frame" name="ltable_win"> <frame src="/Stockbook/LightTable/navigate_frame" name="nav_win"> </frameset> </html> When I use the View tab to see what this page looks like, I get the two frames, but in the lighttable_frame frame, I get an error message about looprange being undefined: ---- start of traceback message ---- The specified module, looprange, couldn't be opened. Traceback (innermost last): File lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 877, in publish_module File lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 590, in publish (Info: /Gamba_home/Stockbook/LightTable/lighttable_frame) File lib/python/OFS/DTMLDocument.py, line 212, in __call__ (Object: lighttable_frame) File lib/python/OFS/DTMLDocument.py, line 208, in __call__ (Object: lighttable_frame) File lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 513, in __call__ (Object: lighttable_frame) File lib/python/OFS/DTMLDocument.py, line 205, in __call__ (Object: lighttablebar) File lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 513, in __call__ (Object: lighttablebar) File lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 620, in renderwob (Object: looprange(ltblSize)) File lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 266, in eval (Object: looprange(ltblSize)) File <string>, line 0, in ? File lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, line 233, in __call__ (Object: CopySource) File lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, line 195, in getFunction (Object: CopySource) File lib/python/App/Extensions.py, line 137, in getObject Module Error: (see above) ---- end of traceback message ---- So again, what is happening when the DTML doc is being refered to inside a frame that is different than not in a frame (and more to the point, how do I get around this apparent problem)? -Bill Randle Central Oregon Internet billr(a)coinet.com

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Security tab in home grown Product
by James A. Hillyerd 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

I'm resending this to the zope list, because I didn't get any response from the zope-dev list. Hi. I have made my first Product (a little message wall that people can post colored messages to), but I am having some trouble with the Security tab. When I press the tab, I get a Permissions screen that looks as it should, but when I click the change button (no matter what permissions I change, if any), I get the following error: Sorry, an error occurred. Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 877, in publish_module File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 590, in publish (Info: /wall/manage_changePermissions) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 194, in manage_changePermissions (Object: RoleManager) File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Permission.py, line 166, in setRoles AttributeError: manage_main I don't doubt that I am causing this, but since it isn't occuring in my code, I don't know how to go about finding the source of the problem. Thanks for any help you can give. -james [] James A. Hillyerd <jamesh(a)altavista.net> Java Developer [] HyperGlyphics: http://www.hyperglyphics.com/ [] GPG Public Key Fingerprint for 1024D/9F956CDE (Expires 2000-02-01): [] C86F B073 92DF 1E24 EF0B 0118 6061 0FEC 9F95 6CDE

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RE: [Zope] Zope with Nestcape Enterprise Server 3.51 - Help
by Brian Lloyd 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

> Can anyone tell me how to setup up Zope using PCGI with Netscape > Enterprise Server 3.51? I have read WEBSERVER.txt, but it > only details > Apache. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Jaime Jaime, Please see the url http://www.zope.org/Download/Prereleases/NetscapePlugin Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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