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RE: [Zope] [ZDP] Announcing the Zope Documentation Project
by Ken Manheimer 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hereby I announce in absolute adhoc anarchistic fashion the Zope > Documentation Project. The Zope Documentation Project aims to generate > documention on anything Zope. Thank you, Martijn, you've made my day! This is extremely cool. As you might expect, here at digicool we're yearning to produce more and better documentation, and, as with other things, we want to have more time and energy to do it than we do. This kind of effort from you, and from anyone else who can help, is *severely* appreciated. I know i'll be participating - question is, besides scraping together the time we can, how else can digicool help? Some thoughts, below... > The Zope Documentation Project needs people who wants to help. It needs > these people to get organized. > > To get focused, I propose the ZDP's initial project is to provide FAQs > on various Zope topics. We can mine the mailing list for good questions > and answers. > > The ZDP asks everybody to contribute. Right now we need everything. :) > We need questions and answers, and we need to categorize these in > separate FAQ sections. We need Zope webspace somewhere to put up the > FAQ, I assume using the FAQ product. We need to develop the FAQ product > further, if necessary. We need whatever you can think of. > > The prime mean of communications for the ZDP is the Zope mailing list, > until further notice. I suggest that to keep the mailing list somewhat > organized we prepend our mailing list subjects with '[ZDP]'. If somebody > has a better way, we'll do it a better way. Some thoughts: - We would be happy to provide a mailing list or two for you all - If it makes sense (logistically, for us as well as for you), we could host the FAQ stuff or whatever on zope.org. This we'll have to discuss - both what all might want, and what we can safely and effectively do... (I've been thinking about requirements for a collaborative FAQ mechanism, which can be tricky if you want it to be available for contribution to the community in general, yet still remain organized enough for people to find what they're seeking. An interesting problem...) > > Note that while I'm sending out this message, I'm not anything official. > I'm just attempting to get the ball rolling. > > *nudges the ball* Yay! Ken klm(a)digicool.com

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[ZDP] Showing form data
by Martijn Pieters 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

* How can I show all form data/cookies/REQUEST vars without knowing their names? By using the #in tag, you can easily all show all data in any dictionary object, like REQUEST.form, REQUEST.cookies and even REQUEST itself. Just call the items() method of the dictionary, and the #in tag will provide a sequence-key and sequence-item variable for every item in the dictionary. Show showing all form data can be done like this::  : <BR>  Use REQUEST.cookies.items() for all your cookies, and REQUEST.items() for all REQUEST variables, including CGI Environment variables. -- M.J. Pieters, Web Developer | Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl | Tel: +31-35-6254545 Fax: +31-35-6254555 | mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj | PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 ------------------------------------------

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RE: [Zope] Some tough questions about zope... (long)
by Michel Pelletier 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Eikenberry [mailto:jae@kavi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:03 PM > To: Ronald Offerman > Cc: Michel Pelletier; Tony McDonald; zope(a)zope.org; > ron(a)heaven.rotflol.cx > Subject: Re: [Zope] Some tough questions about zope... (long) > > > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Ronald Offerman wrote: > > > > also a rather powerful language for being so simple). > Just leave your > > > PHP stuff in your documents; Zope will parse out the DTML > and return it > > > to the server, which will parse out the PHP stuff and > return it to the > > > browser. In fact, you can probably make DTML and PHP > work together > > > nicely and simplify much of your PHP code. In the > quickie case you > > > don't need to change your PHP. > > > > If this would work (having Apache parse the PHP code in the pages > > returned by Zope), you would save me a lot of painfull converting > > working PHP code (mainly database related) and I would > gradually convert > > from PHP/Apache to Zope/Python/Apache. > > This can't be done currently. I researched this a while back, > trying to > get server side includes to work. There's actually an entry > in the Apache > FAQ about it: > > """ > 9.How can I have my script output parsed? > > So you want to include SSI directives in the output from your CGI > script, but can't figure out how to do it? The short > answer is "you > can't." This is potentially a security liability and, more > importantly, it can not be cleanly implemented under the current > server API. The best workaround is for your script > itself to do what > the SSIs would be doing. After all, it's generating the > rest of the > content. > > This is a feature The Apache Group hopes to add in the next major > release after 1.3. > """ > > Though this is about SSI, it basically means (I believe) that > apache can't > take back the output of a CGI for additional module handling. > > --- Well paint me blue and call me a liar. At least it's planned. Michel > > John Eikenberry > [jae(a)kavi.com - http://taos.kavi.com/~jae/] > ______________________________________________________________ > "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order > will deserve neither and lose both." > --B. Franklin > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope >

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DTML Method vs Document
by Philip Aylesworth 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

I just upgraded to 1.10.2 and I noticed that when creating a new document I have a choice of DTML document and DTML method. This seems useful. I noticed that all my DTML documents and DTML methods have the icon for a DTML method. Everything seems to work. What is the difference between a DTML document and a DTML method? Seems to me a method should not be surfable but they are. Is it possible to change my documents to DTML documents? Even just for housekeeping. One other unrelated question: What is a Principia Draft? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Philip Aylesworth Information Systems Manager phila(a)regalint.com PGP public key: http://www.regalint.com/PGPkeys/phila.html

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ZServerFTP
by Robin Dunn 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

HomeSite's FTP mode is apparently trying to use the FTP commands "MODE S" and "STRU F" to which ZServer is responding with a "500 '%s': command not understood." % command and then HomeSite bails out and never fetches any directory listings or anything. Is there any intent to support these commands? It sure would be nice. -- Robin Dunn robin(a)AllDunn.com http://AllDunn.com/robin/ http://AllDunn.com/wxPython/ Check it out! Try http://AllDunn.com/laughworks/ for a good laugh.

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debugging ZServer FTP sessions.
by Anthony Baxter 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

I'm attempting to use ZServer's ftp daemon to upload a number of images into my database, however no matter what I try I always get back ftp> put sidebar.gif local: sidebar.gif remote: sidebar.gif 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening Binary connection for sidebar.gif 550 Error creating file. 189 bytes sent in 0.00139 secs (1.3e+02 Kbytes/sec) ftp> I've tried this with an image that doesn't exist, as well as for one that already exists. Is it just a matter of "it doesn't work for images" or what? Also, where does ZServer send errors from ftp sessions? It looks to me like it's just silently eating them. :( Anthony

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Indirect variable references
by Timothy Grant 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

Hi, I'm going to try this one again with--hopefully--a little more clarity on my part. I am working on a Zope application that builds a page based on the contents of two Tiny Tables The first table provides categories, and the second provides detail for each category. DTML works beautifully to allow me to build the page. The code is as follows:  <tr> <td> <B></B> </td> <td> <select name="" size=1>  <option>   </select> </td> <td> </td> </tr>  As you can see the code builds a number of select boxes that are named with the names that are contained in the first Tiny Table. After the form has been submitted, I need a way of accessing the contents of those select variable names, and I cannot figure out how to do it. e.g., if the Tiny Table contains Fred, Ethel, Ricky and Lucy, I will get four select boxes named Fred, Ethel, Ricky and Lucy. It works fabulously, even though I knew it should work, I was still pumped when I looked at the HTML and saw what a nice job had been done. So after submission, Fred, Ethel, Ricky and Lucy all contain the value of what was selected. How do I programatically or should that be DTMLmatically access those values from within another #in construct? Thanks for any assistance. -- Stand Fast, tjg. =================================== Timothy J. Grant tjg(a)avalongroup.net Avalon Technology Group www.avalongroup.net (503) 246-3630 voice (503) 246-3124 fax This message may be digitally signed with PGP. A PGP signature guarantees that this message really did come from me. For more information regarding digital signatures and encryption, please contact me.

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RE: [Zope] DTML Method vs Document [ZDP?]
by Michel Pelletier 03 Mar '99

03 Mar '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Aylesworth [mailto:phila@regalint.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 3:44 PM > To: Zope List > Subject: [Zope] DTML Method vs Document > > > I just upgraded to 1.10.2 and I noticed that when creating a > new document I > have a choice of DTML document and DTML method. This seems useful. I > noticed that all my DTML documents and DTML methods have the > icon for a > DTML method. Everything seems to work. > > What is the difference between a DTML document and a DTML > method? Seems to > me a method should not be surfable but they are. > This is my take on the situation. As far as I can tell this is pretty deep voodoo. A DTML Method is what used to be just a Document in pre 1.10 releases. DTML Methods are not objects, they are methods. If you have a folder called foo, and it contained a DTML Method called bar, then bar is a method of foo. foo doesn't contain the object bar, it has the method bar bound to it. What this means is that from bar's point of view, 'self' is a Folder object, and any properties it sees are properties of foo, not itself. DTML Documents are Zope Objects. Their idea of 'self' is themselves. They are contained in folders, but are not methods bound to that folder, they are instances of DTMLDocument.DTMLDocument. They can manage their own Properties (because they inherit PropertyManager.PropertyManager). Both DTML Documents and DTML Methods can hold DTML and content. The difference is subtle. DTML Methods would be used when the answer to the question 'Am I showing some other objects content through me?' is Yes. DTML Documents should be used when the answer to the question 'Am I the content I want to display?' is Yes. DTML Methods have the advantage that they don't have any properties, and their perspective of aquisition is from their containing folders point of view. DTML Documents have properties which may interfere with aquisition you'd want to do, and aquisition is from their own point of view, which may not be what you want. (BTW Martijn, perhaps the above should go in the FAQs) If this isn't clear to you don't worry, it isn't even really clear to me. There is no way, but there really should be a way to convert between the two because the roles for a DTML widget may change from Method to Document as your system evolves. This will probably be a feature in the next release. (This is the answer to the question 'Can I convert between DTML Meths and DTML Docs?' for the FAQs) > Is it possible to change my documents to DTML documents? Even just for > housekeeping. > See directly above. > One other unrelated question: What is a Principia Draft? > Ugh..good question... I need to find that one out myself. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Philip Aylesworth Information Systems Manager > phila(a)regalint.com > PGP public key: http://www.regalint.com/PGPkeys/phila.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope >

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Version 0.3 of ZPyGreSQLDA
by Maurice Davis 03 Mar '99

03 Mar '99

Version 0.3 of ZPyGreSQLDA has been posted to the Contrib area of the Zope site. This version upgrades to PyGreSQL 2.3 and compiles under Zope-1.10.2. It now closes the backend connection to postgres when the database connection is shut down from Zope. Maury

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Re: [Zope] [ZDP] Assorted FAQs
by Robert OConnor 03 Mar '99

03 Mar '99

Christopher G. Petrilli wrote:... >You can find a "howto" LaTeX stylesheet in the >Python CVS checkout, and I'm sure Guido/Fred >wouldn't mind us using this. It works real well, >and can target HTML, ASCII (I think), >Postscript, PDF, etc... this lets >you do the "bigger" stuff in a nice pretty way. Ok, I found: http://www.python.org/doc/howto/writing.html the link on that page: you can grab [Fred Drake's documentation distribution], and use... Is broken with a "Error 404: File Not Found" Searching for "LaTeX CVS" didn't quite get it can you please provide the links? Not only will this be good for the DOC project but also for general use in targeting HTML PDF etc....etc... TIA -bobo connor

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