December 1998 - Zope

- Are there any life demos of Zope?
by Michael Scharf 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

Are there any publicly available sites that use Zope? To get a feel what can be done with Zope this would be of great help. What about installing a life demo at www.zope.org? Or even better make www.zope.org an Zope site... I think a site that provides an excellent highly interesting (highly regarded) service that is based on Zope would be a *very* good advertisement for Zope. If I see good site I always want to know "how they did it". BTW: At the moment, it seems that this list has more traffic than c.l.p :-) Michael -- ''''\ Michael Scharf ` c-@@ TakeFive Software ` > http://www.TakeFive.com \_ V mailto:Michael_Scharf@TakeFive.co.at

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Re: [Zope] - Authenication problems when on webhost?
by Jimmie Houchin 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:04:55 -0500 "Phillip J. Eby" wrote: >At 02:51 PM 12/8/98 -0600, Jimmie Houchin wrote: >> >>Is their a simple way to test if it is already (automatically) available >>without asking tech support? > >Yeah. Put a CGI script in a password-protected directory and have it print >out the environment. If there's an HTTP_AUTHORIZATION variable that says >"Basic" followed by some base64 gibberish, you're in. Uh oh. What was that that just went over my head. :) I attempted to do what I thought you said. I created a directory, cgi-bin/test, and gave it only owner permisions. I then tried to run the test.py script from Netscape and got an error. Forbidden You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/test/test.py on this server. Oops. :) Got any instructions for someone who's clueless? >>>This means that ZOPE should run virtually out of the box on a Hiway or >>>RapidSite >>>host. A couple of points to mention, though... Hiway does not allow you >>>to run your own servers, so ZopeHTTPServer is absolutely out. Since Hiway >>>servers are also periodically rebooted for various kinds of maintenance, >>>you cannot rely on such a process staying up indefinitely anyway. This >>>also means you need to be sure if you're using an LRP that it can >>>auto-start from the web. >> >>Thanks for the reply. I hope any/all site(s) with excellent support for >>Python/Zope does well and prospers. :) >> > >Ugh. You just reminded me... Oh. Anytime. :) Although I built Python 1.5.1 and it's on >all the Hiway/RapidSite servers, and it even includes loadable modules for >ExtensionClass and Acquisition, Hiway doesn't give customers access to the >IRIX C compiler any more, so you're currently out of luck if you want to >use cDocumentTemplate or any of the other new C stuff. When I get out from >behind my current backlog I will try to get the binaries up to date and >include the good stuff from Zope. Although, in order not to annoy the >sysadmins too much, I'll want to keep new-version compilations to a minimum. I didn't know it when I signed up with my webhost but having access to the C compiler came in handy. When I request they add Python 1.5.x to their support they said okay if they get enough requests. So with a little help from c.l.p. I compiled Python 1.5.1 to my directory. :) I can see it will come in handy with Zope. :) Thanks for your patient help. Jimmie Houchin

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RE: [Zope] - Authenication problems when on webhost?
by Jeff Bauer 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

>> For those of us who have to use a webhosting service we are >> at the mercy of what they (the webhost) will permit and >> what is required configuration wise by Zope. > There are several ISP's whose servers support > HTTP_AUTHORIZATION, including Hiway, RapidSite, > and a number of regional telcos who outsource their > hosting through Hiway/RapidSite. Hurrah for Hiway and RapidSite! I've always thought it shameful for the consumer to be at the "mercy" of their webhost. Perhaps Digital Creations should showcase a list of Zope-friendly site hosting services, starting with a link to RapidSite. Regards, Jeff Bauer Rubicon, Inc.

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RE: [Zope] - PCGI problems
by Andreas Kostyrka 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Jeff Bauer wrote: > My favorite part of that message is "please try again > later" <snicker>. We need to add: "Have a nice day." What about ``Z pcgi, the easiest way to publish your objects!''. Or ``The no error pcgi warrenty''? *g* Andreas -- Win95: n., A huge annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS, Win 3.x, Win98.

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RE: [Zope] - zope jitterbug
by Paul Everitt 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

Alan wrote: > Thanks, all, Paul, for > http://www.digicool.com/site/Collector/ . This site > solicits a password - how do I obtain one? Also, is this bug Erm, that's a misfire. We'll clear it up... > collector under > OpenSource? Nope, it is based on Tabula, which is a product for Zope. > Finally, turns out we have a calltracck system (Scopus) with > a poor user > interface. > > It's hosted in Sybase. I note Zope has various SQL > interfaces. Do you think > it's an adequate tool to put a nice web front end on a legacy tracking > system via SQL? Sybase on what platform? We find the SQL integration (formerly known as Aqueduct) in Zope to be pretty spiffy. And it is decently documented...not the programming stuff, but certainly building web front ends to databases. --Paul

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RE: [Zope] - How do I publish this object?
by Paul Everitt 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

Amos "The Tease" Latteier wrote: > How about a Bobo Product that allows you to add a Bobo module from any > place in the filesystem to anywhere in your Zope hierarchy. > This is much > more flexible and would provide you with a marker that your > external code > was in the Zope namespace. Call it "External Module" I was trying to avoid every single step that I could think of, in order to help people get over the hurdle. If they have to "plug" it into the object system somewhere, then that might be too much to ask. In general, I advocate what you've stated above (having a real Zope object just like External Methods does). Of course, I automatically like it because... > Very easy to write, I bet. If no one has written this by this > week end, > I'll do it! Well that just about says it all, eh? I think there are still a number of issues to deal with, though. Should the directory be partitionable (e.g. allow people to publish _packages_ as well as modules?) --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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RE: [Zope] - Setting __bobo_realm__
by Paul Everitt 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

Scott wrote: > Jim wrote: > > If the later, we find it convenient to have a "logout" > > document sitting around: > You've just taken all the fun out of closing my browser down > that I was > having while trying to figure out permissions. One day, when users are real Items (or even Foldoids), the management interface for a user could have the logout button. --Paul

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RE: [Zope] - How do I publish this object?
by Paul Everitt 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

Skip wrote: > My sentiments exactly. It would appear that Principia and > Zope traded off > Bobo's simple object publishing model for a very nice way to manage > hierarchical web sites. The extra complexity added under the > covers looks > like it will make it very difficult to convert existing > CGI-based sites to > Zope. I have a site that uses 30-40 CGI scripts to do its > business. At > this stage, converting them looks like it will be fairly > difficult. If I'm > missing something, please fill me in. If not, is there some > simpler way to > publish objects through Zope other than the current Product API? As mentioned by Amos, External Methods are a simple way to plug functions into the object system. You still, though, have to "add" the External Method to the folder you want to bind them to. Perhaps, though, there should be a slot for doing old-style Bobo programming. For instance, we could have a special top-level directory called "/Bobo". Anything modules placed in that directory can be old-style Bobo applications, whose functions are automatically bound to the top-level folder. Thus, creating a module /Bobo/Skip.py: ========================= """Simple Hello World""" def hello(self,name): """self is bound to top level folder""" return '<P>Hello, %s' % name ========================= Automatically makes the URL /hello?name=Skip functional. Perhaps the Control Panel could have a folder containing all imported modules that lets you reload them. OK some clever soul, give us some patches! --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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- Where is misc_/sample/item?
by skip＠calendar.com 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

In the sample product, Product.py defines # Specify a relative URL for the icon used to display icons: icon='misc_/sample/item' In the MailHost product, MailHost.py defines icon='misc_/MailHost/MHIcon' Where are these things located? I couldn't find a directory named "misc_" anywhere, nor could I figure out how to get at any such beasts from within the management interface. thx, Skip Montanaro | Mojam: "Uniting the World of Music" http://www.mojam.com/ skip(a)calendar.com | Musi-Cal: http://concerts.calendar.com/ 518-372-5583

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Re: [Zope] - Yet another stupid question: image folders
by Jim Fulton 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

"Christopher G. Petrilli" wrote: > > So I was sitting and breaking things last night (between the shower > thoughts on FTp access, etc), and tried what seemed obvious to me, which > is probably totally wrong given my inexperience with BoboPOS, but... > > What I want to be able to do is have a folder that contains images as a > subfolder to my current folder. Now I know I can reference them, no > problem:  but that doesn't give the right SRC= > line in the IMG directive. Now I sat and thought about this, but I'm > just not sure how an image is supposed to find itself in the hierarchy > so it can publish the right URL to find itself. > > A simple solution would be for it to find itself and publish an absolute > location, rather than relative (as it currently does), but that means it > has to know wher eti is... I'm going to try to respond to the entire thread at once by simply stating my position on how this should work. Here goes: 1. Images, and perhaps all objects, should have a method named something like absoluteURL, that returns some kind of absolute URL. Franky, I'm not sure how this will work, but your comments have convinced me that it should work. Note that it may only work in the context of a web request. Note that objects will not store their URL because an object may be referenced from many places and therefore may have more than one URL. The value returned from absoluteURL will likely take into account the way the object was accessed. (There will likely be lots of magic involved; best not think too hard about it or keep the glue gun handy. ;) 2. The str for an image will use absoluteURL and will use size methods too, if there every are any. 3. There may be lots of other image methods that could be used with fmt, as in:  Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:jim@digicool.com Technical Director (540) 371-6909 Python Powered! Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com http://www.python.org Under US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C), Sec.227(a)(2)(B) This email address may not be added to any commercial mail list with out my permission. Violation of my privacy with advertising or SPAM will result in a suit for a MINIMUM of $500 damages/incident, $1500 for repeats.

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