June 1999 - Zope - Zope lists

Re: [Zope] DTML reformulated as XML
by Jacobs,David B. 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

It has been great following the discussion so far. I love Zope's architecture and I'm glad what I consider one of its weakest links is getting some attention. Since people seem to be open to considering some radical ideas, I thought I would throw my own into the mix. I have a basic problem with all of these in-line extensions. Be it PHP,ASP,JSP,Cold Fusion or DHTML, I think there is a fundamental problem with mixing layout with the generation of active/dynamic content. Most layout and graphic artist folks are simply not programmers. I believe that a user should be able to use any HTML editor to produce a basic mockup of the screen they want. The development environment (read Zope) should then provide a way to tie "active" behaviors to a pages elements. In this way you could tie a date validation procedure to a input box element. You could tie a table generation procuedure to table element and a SQL Method. You could tie multiple behaviors to the same element. This provides much greater separation of layout and coding. Using this technique you can have a few programmers developing "active" behaviors for users. Users can then use their favorite editor to layout their pages and then tie these behaviors to their elements separately. The assignment of behaviors to HTML elements would be outside of the HTML document. I realize that I'm doing a lot of handwaving here. I have a bit more detail I can provide, but I don't want to overwhelm people. If you have ever used Elemental Software's Drumbeat 2000 product you get a little of the flavor of what I'm looking for from a user perspective. If you have looked at the XMLC product that the Enhydra project has incorporated (www.enhydra.org) It provides some clues as to how it might be implemented. Basically the XMLC is a HTML compiler that compiles HTML/XML to Java Document Object Model classes that can then be manipulated dynamically to add active content. Does this resonate with anyone :-). Thanks for listening. If people would like more details, just ask. David Jacobs djacobs(a)mitre.org Pacific Operations ps. I get the daily digest of the zope mailing list. If you want a faster response please make sure to include my direct email address (djacobs(a)mitre.org)

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IE FrontPage Express authoring vs. Netscape authoring
by Barry Reicherter 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

I see how nicely the Netscape Composer publishing functions works with Zope from the description given in the Zope Managers Guide, but I was wondering if there was possible for this same process to be created using FrontPage Express as the authoring tool. I haven't looked at FrontPage Express in some time and don't know if it even had a publish function, but I wondered if this had been given any thought, given the increased adoption of IE in corporations. Thanks.

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Re: [Zope] Zope on LinuxPPC--works fine
by Deirdre Saoirse 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Greg Pierce <greg(a)turtleprod.com> wrote: > newbie here. i actually posted a couple weeks ago about getting zope > running on Mac OS X Server. i never had any luck, but w/ a fresh > install of the new LinuxPPC 5 release running i thought i'd try again. Me neither (yet). ::sigh:: I like MOSXS as a working environment but it really *should* work locally. Python 1.5.2 was so easy to compile. _Deirdre

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getting ext. method files in and out
by Greg Pierce 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

is there anyway to put external method files into the extensions directory through Zope? i'm working exclusively through a remote machine. do i need to setup my server to allow me to FTP or access that directory through some other means? shouldn't i be able to do it through ZServer w/ a HTTP PUT? how are others handling this... Greg Pierce greg(a)turtleprod.com http://www.turtleprod.com/greg/ ---Slow and Steady Wins the Race---

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Re: [Zope] ANNOUNCE: EXPERIMENTAL DTML Syntax change
by Michael Bernstein 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Mike Pelletier wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Michael Bernstein wrote: > > > You might (MIGHT) want to consider requiring an enclosing '<dtml-eval>' > > tag around the environment variables, though: > > > > <li> <dtml-eval><a > > href="&dtml-URL1;/&dtml-id;/manage_workspace"></dtml-eval> > > > > Leaving them 'naked' doesn't feel right. > > Since you wrap two new-style  tags in one '<dtml-eval>', plus > an arbitrary amount of HTML, there's nothing to stop folks from wrapping their > entire file in a big '<dtml-eval>'. It seems a bit contrived, IMHO. If you > correct that by insisting only one eval per <dtml-eval>, you haven't gained > anything over the old way of doing it. Hmm, what I was going for was an arbitray amount of HTML and entities, but no other DTML. It was just an idea. 01 (my two bits) Michael.

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RE: [Zope] ANNOUNCE: EXPERIMENTAL DTML Syntax change
by Jeffrey Shell 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

> It would be more helpfull. Homesite could be taught to > support it quite > easily, including hinting and dialog boxes specifying the options. Right. Setting up Alpha (emacs-ish Mac text editor with great HTML mode) to do it was quite easy. Hurrah!

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Learning
by Tom Deprez 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

I'm interested to find some information on the term 'weblog' (like Squishdot refers to). Anybody who can refer me to a place where it is it explained from where it comes, for what it is used, .... other systems Regards, Tom.

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RE: [Zope] IE FrontPage Express authoring vs. Netscape authoring
by Michel Pelletier 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Netscape publishing ability works with Zope because it is based on the HTTP standard PUT mechanism. Frontpage is not (as far as I know) based on *any* standard therefore it probably does not work. Note that FrontPage 2000 is claimed to use the WebDAV protocol (Zope fully supports the WebDAV protocol) but no one knows if FP will support the WebDAV standard or if MS will invent their own. -Michel PS. Please don't send HTML or Rich Text formatted mail to the Zope mailing list. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Reicherter [mailto:breicherter@ex-pressnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 5:06 PM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope] IE FrontPage Express authoring vs. Netscape authoring I see how nicely the Netscape Composer publishing functions works with Zope from the description given in the Zope Managers Guide, but I was wondering if there was possible for this same process to be created using FrontPage Express as the authoring tool. I haven't looked at FrontPage Express in some time and don't know if it even had a publish function, but I wondered if this had been given any thought, given the increased adoption of IE in corporations. Thanks.

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Looking for a Zope friendly ISP
by Aaron Rubin 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Hi folks, Anyone have an ISP they recommend for running a Zope server on? My current ISP is willing to load Python on one of their servers for me, but this is for a new client and I've had problems with this ISP when it comes to keep shopping carts daemons running (minivend specifically). Thanks for any advice you can supply. -- Aaron Rubin

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Anyone got ZServer 2.0x running under Solaris?
by Tony McDonald 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

I'm Having major hassle getting ZServer (any version) to run under SunOS5.6 and 5.7. I don't want to clutter the list with tracebacks etc. so if someone who has got it working can contact me, I *promise* to write up the experience for others... Tone ------ Dr Tony McDonald, FMCC, Networked Learning Environments Project The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 222 5888 Fingerprint: 3450 876D FA41 B926 D3DD F8C3 F2D0 C3B9 8B38 18A2

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