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What things _really_ mean
by Russell Hires 15 Apr '01

15 Apr '01

Hello everyone, I've been going through the "How to: Build a Searchable Job Board", and being the newbie that I am, I've been having trouble. First, it's a great recipe. I can make many a cake with it. The same kind of cake, the same kind of yellow cake. The same kind of yellow cake with white frosting... Second, (and this is where the subject line comes from) it occurs to me that the "objects" are really just web-pages. "Methods" are pieces of web-pages, though methods also seem to be a way to do something with the stuff you put into forms. "Properties" are forms. A "property sheet" is a collection of forms... Third, in light of the fact that the HOWTO says it is for those new to programming, I have proceeded to make changes to this HOWTO mainly to make it easier for me to deal with the various concepts and process, and to make it more generalized, so that it isn't simply a recipe, but something you can look at without the content and get a better idea of the concept behind it (a lot like Zope!). Along with this I have used some content from one or two different sources and integrated it into the HOWTO. Naturally, the changes I've made are private, but perhaps when I'm done doing everything I hope it could be published (with appropriate attributions and permission from the original author), in the hope that it my changes will be more helpful to the next newbie that reads and follows this HOWTO... Thoughts? Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is"

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RE: [Zope] Adult Site Zope Hosting Question
by Paz 15 Apr '01

15 Apr '01

It doesn't really matter who hosts it. Almost any company will want your business and will install Zope for you. As long as any hosting service is comfortable with pornography, all of them are going to levy a mounting charge for the Zope installation. It requires no special hardware, so you're still only renting drive space and bandwidth.... The real question is 'Does anyone know a provider that isn't already totally sick of hosting porno?' Which I don't think anyone on this list can or is willing to answer. But wait and see if I am the only responder. I'm not at all religious, but do you really think this is an appropriate question for Easter weekend? Paz -----Original Message----- From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Sarah Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:11 AM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope] Adult Site Zope Hosting Question I've been asked to help someone build a web site and I think Zope would be the perfect solution for her (manageability, scalability, etc), but the problem is that this site will contain adult material. Does anyone know of a Zope hosting company that would consider hosting an adult site? Thanks, Vel

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RE: [Zope] What things _really_ mean
by Paz 15 Apr '01

15 Apr '01

Um, not really. Objects refer to images, pages yes... but also other bits like mp3s or text files... anything you may want to differentiate from another 'object'... In a job-board, an object would also be a web page of someone's CV.. or an image, or video or audio clip of that same CV. A property is the html syntax that goes with the object. Beyond that HTML syntax you can adopt your own... Take the same analogy of job board. The CV of Paul Zwarts (that's me) is in 4 formats. HTML, Video, Audio and Word document. All have to have a property called Name. (Either that or they reside in a folder that is my name, but you see what it does). Methods, are in fact calls to data. You want to organize your data, but not just simply dump it on people point-blank. A method is a logic tidbit that sorts and operands data invisibly to the user. It may be using SQL, or Python methods, or other methods straight to other scripting languages. The beauty of Zope is that is only the flour and egg that binds it together. The frosting and spices are what make the cake its own kind as opposed to another kind of cake. Your bit about frosting on the cake is exactly what DTML is for. Its the presentation layer. If your objects are organized properly, then the presentation layer will determine the frosting color. As HTML was a presentation layer for a flat file structure, DTML is the very same for dynamic content that may come from different places at once, or one place that is always changing..... I'm a newbie myself, but I've had experience in SGML and other publishing methods (even those that predate computers) so I kind of understand the naming methods they use. I would suggest you check the Zope book as it explains more detailed (in one place) the methodology and naming conventions used by the Zopistas.... Perhaps you would be willing to post your article on the members site, or somewhere convenient for you? I'd be interested in reading it.] Paz -----Original Message----- From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Russell Hires Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:23 PM To: Zope(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope] What things _really_ mean Hello everyone, I've been going through the "How to: Build a Searchable Job Board", and being the newbie that I am, I've been having trouble. First, it's a great recipe. I can make many a cake with it. The same kind of cake, the same kind of yellow cake. The same kind of yellow cake with white frosting... Second, (and this is where the subject line comes from) it occurs to me that the "objects" are really just web-pages. "Methods" are pieces of web-pages, though methods also seem to be a way to do something with the stuff you put into forms. "Properties" are forms. A "property sheet" is a collection of forms... Third, in light of the fact that the HOWTO says it is for those new to programming, I have proceeded to make changes to this HOWTO mainly to make it easier for me to deal with the various concepts and process, and to make it more generalized, so that it isn't simply a recipe, but something you can look at without the content and get a better idea of the concept behind it (a lot like Zope!). Along with this I have used some content from one or two different sources and integrated it into the HOWTO. Naturally, the changes I've made are private, but perhaps when I'm done doing everything I hope it could be published (with appropriate attributions and permission from the original author), in the hope that it my changes will be more helpful to the next newbie that reads and follows this HOWTO... Thoughts? Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Adult Site Zope Hosting Question
by Sarah 15 Apr '01

15 Apr '01

I've been asked to help someone build a web site and I think Zope would be the perfect solution for her (manageability, scalability, etc), but the problem is that this site will contain adult material. Does anyone know of a Zope hosting company that would consider hosting an adult site? Thanks, Vel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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manage_addProperty [basic] syntax question
by Jason Cunliffe 15 Apr '01

15 Apr '01

I have searched, and I know its really simple, but please can anyone tell me how to take a working URL like this: http://Zsite231/images/manage_addProduct/Photo/PhotoAdd_version2 and rewite it in the syntax of these: a. DTMLMethod b. External Python Method c. Script(Python) ..and point me to where this is documented.. Thankyou very much -- Jason ___________________________________________________________ Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']

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Re: dtml-in and namespaces
by Frank Tegtmeyer 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

Thanks - I got it some hours ago with help from a colleague. Regards, Frank

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Re: [Zope] xml-rpc and objectIds
by Dieter Maurer 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

Alex Verstraeten writes: > ... XML/RPC ... > for browsing I need the objectIds method, but it doesnt seems to be > available on zope 2.3.0 Many Zope users felt uneasy about people being able to analyse the structure of there side (through "objectIds"). Therefore, Brian removed the DocString of it (and its friends). Now, they can only be used internally. Web access is prohibited. You can put a DTML Method (!) into your Zope root object which contains just "<dtml-return objectIds>". You can then use this method (appropriately protected) to browse your site. Dieter

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small zope <-> apache improvement/suggestion
by Thomas Dunne (Sys. Admin.) 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

Hey! I just spent a "bit of a long time" trying to get apache to pass through the HTTP_Auth Headers to the zope pcgi-wrapper. (obviously I was doing something wrong ;) ) well to make a long story short: the suggested apache conf setup for using zope with pcgi and w/o fastcgi in the file doc/WEBSERVER.txt (line 300) is at the moment: # Zope configuration maps /Zope/ to the Zope.cgi CGI script RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization} ^(.*) RewriteRule ^/Zope(.*) /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/$1 [e=HTTP_CGI_A UTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] as also mentioned in the file, that is one long (and a bit ugly) rewriterule. Disadvantages of this approach: 1. only applies when header contains an "Auth-Tag" (surprise!) 2. creates small havock and some confusion with the already defined ScriptAlias line, in that one doesn't definitely know if only the ScriptAlias or also the RewriteRule are being applied 3. it's a really long line alternative suggestion: * drop the ScriptAlias line * drop the unnecessary RewriteCond-query * always apply the RewriteRule * split the RewriteRule into 3 lines :) the result then: RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.*)$ /var/www-edit/cgi-bin/zope.dpunkt.de/zope/$1 RewriteRule ^(.*)$ $1 [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization}] RewriteRule ^(.*)$ $1 [t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] a bit nicer to read, and (thank God) it works :) best wishes + great software! tom __________________________________________________ save the whales, feed the hungry, free the mallocs

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Re: [Zope-dev] REQUIRING Python 2.1??
by Dieter Maurer 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

anser writes: > Second, I am MYSTIFIED (there's no better word) that DC is in such a rush > to REQUIRE the use of Python 2.1 for Zope 2.4, when we're still waiting for > Py 2.1 final to even come out. Why put all your eggs in that basket, and > why force the community to choose between changing to a bleeding-edge > Python or retiring to a frozen Zope rev? My experience with the Python development process is very good. New versions contain few problems which are rapidly eliminated. I will switch to Python 2.1 (now using Zope with Python 2.0) immediately when it becomes available (has nice features, I fought for since a long time (nested namespaces)). You will only be affected for Zope 2.4. I think, it will take several month, before it is final. Dieter

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Zope support through the community: sorting
by Dieter Maurer 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

Zopistas, there is currently a heaty and controversial debate at http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting It is concerned with Oleg's great "Sorting Patch" that provides (almost) general, easy to use sorting facilities all over Zope's framework (DTML, Python Scripts, External Methods, ZPT, ....). There seems to be danger that this great support through a community member will have a fate similar to Tino's "in" patch: that the incorporation into the Zope core is far too long delayed because important DC people fear "feature bloat". If you are interested in sorting along the lines * case sensitive/insensitive * ascending/descending * locale aware * multi-column you should go to the above site and voice your opinion. As a general note: It seems to me that DC is far too reluctant to accept contributions to Zope from community members: * patches fixing bugs * patches implementing missing but useful features In my view * bug fixing patches should always be accepted unless the patch is not easily understandable. * feature patches should be accepted, if it makes Zope more consistent (as the upcoming "urlparam_expr" patch) or easier to use (as Oleg's sorting patch or Tino's in patch). Great reluctance towards these contributions risks Zope to lose community support. I can tell from experience the frustration caused by DC ignoring contributions. I invested considerable time to file several important ZCatalog bug reports with patches into the collector for Zope 2.1.6, just to see them ignored in all versions of Zope 2.2. Only for Zope 2.3.1, the issues have been addressed. I still advice people to file bug reports and patches into the Collector, but personnaly I already start to think whether it is worth the effort.... Dieter

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