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RE: [Zope] ZODB packing problem
by George Runyan 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

sorry.. i'm running Zope version: Zope 2.1.4 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2) Python version: 1.5.2 (#1, Sep 17 1999, 20:15:36) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- System Platform: linux-i386 Process ID: 12776 (1026) Running for: 47 min 2 sec -----Original Message----- From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 4:56 PM To: George Runyan Cc: zope(a)zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] ZODB packing problem What version of Zope is this? A recent bug fix has been checked into the pack function and my line numbers don't corespond with yours. I need to know what version of Zope you are using so that I can get the right version of this file. George Runyan wrote: > my ZODB doesnt pack, it remains 50.6M and after this error its still usable > (thank god). Packing does not modify your existing database file until it completely succeeds. During the pack, packed data is written to a temporary file and your main file is just read from. > now, is there any documentation on how to fix this? when I > search for 'ZODB' I get a useless 341 items returned. 'ZODB > troubleshooting' I get 355 items. FYI, you are searching for the union of two search terms, 'ZODB' and 'troubleshooting' which is why you got more for the second query than for the first. To explicitly get an intersection, say 'ZODB AND troubleshooting'. That bring you back a much smaller number (0). -Michel

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[ANN] FSSession-0-3-0
by Pavlos Christoforou 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Hello Zopistas - FSSession 0.3.0 is available at: http://www.zope.org/Members/gaaros/FSSession FSSession 0.3.0 corrects a few reported bugs and has now working support for Zope Transactions (thanks to Hung Jung Lu for valuable discussions). Users of FSSession should upgrade to the newer version. Feedback especially regarding speed will be appreciated. Pavlos

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Zope & Vignette was Re: [Zope] Zope needs this (and Dynamo has it)
by Kevin Butler 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Is this comparison available? Or going to be available? kb >>> From: Patrick Phalen <zope(a)teleo.net>: Yesterday, I was asked, by a client, to put together a side-by-side comparison of Zope and Vignette for presentation to their IT managers. I did a lot of searching on the Web, but found only the one article from this list last October, which was written by someone with no experience with either of the two! Frequently, people have asked for this sort of data on this list, but I've never seen a coherent answer. It's a FAQ. Digital Creations might be able to help here, since they have direct experience with clients who have started with Vignette and switched to Zope. It would probably be "impolitic" for DC to author a public article taking Vignette to task, but certainly they could help an independent author with facts. If that article could then be published in DevShed or Web Development, or another visible place, it would give us all something to point to. Search engines would index it. The word would spread. Vignette is often characterized as the "industrial strength" CMS, so it would seem a good target for a comparison, especially due to its high cost.

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Puzzling DTML method results
by James W. Howe 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

I'm encoutering a puzzling result with some DTMLMethods that I've written. I have some code which is used to display a list of information derived from a catalog. The information presented varies, based on which "category" of information the user desires. The DTMLMethod which generates most of this information looks like this: <dtml-in "InternetLinkCatalog(meta_type='Internet Link Info', categories=_['categoryName'])" sort=name> <dtml-with "InternetLinkCatalog.getobject(data_record_id_)"> < ... display object stuff here ... > </dtml-with> </dtml-in> For testing purposes, I created another DTMLMethod in the same folder named 'categoryName' and initially all it contained was one line: Accounting When I displayed the contents of my folder (which utilizes the list generation method), I received a list of all objects which belonged to the category of Accounting. I'm now trying to extend my code to use an actual category name specified by a user (or from a url clicked on by the user). I changed my 'categoryName' code to look like this: <dtml-with REQUEST only> <dtml-if category> <dtml-var category> <dtml-else> Accounting </dtml-if> </dtml-with> If I view this method, the result is 'Accounting', which is just what I would expect. However, when I attempt to view my generated list in the same manner as before, I get no results. I'm confused. When the categoryName simply has the value 'Accounting' in it, I see results. If I change the method to include some processing (but still answer the same thing), I get no results. I'm sure that I'm just doing something stupid a, but it's getting late in the day and I'm not seeing what the problem might be. Can someone help explain why I'm getting two different results for what should be the same? Thanks. James W. Howe mailto:jwh@allencreek.com Allen Creek Software, Inc. pgpkey: http://ic.net/~jwh/pgpkey.html Ann Arbor, MI 48103

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Zope Member Login
by Shaw, Mark 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Hello, I've been trying to decipher the Zope member log in screens. It appears pretty straight forward. There is the login.html screen which is basically just a form for entering Name and Password and then passing this information to logged_in.html. I'll ignore the cookie for now. logged_in.html then checks  and reports success or failure. However, as usual, there's got to be something I'm missing. If I simply build those two pages, the AUTHENTICATED_USER.getUserName() check on the logged_in.html page always return 'Anonymous User'. When and how do I get the form to actually 'chat' with Zope and make me a valid authenticated user? Thanks in advance for any help provided. -mark PS. For those who are still having a problem with DCOracle and Oracle8i, that's working great for me now. If I can help, feel free to send me email. I'm running all this on RH Linux 6.1

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Re: [Zope] Zope needs this (and Dynamo has it)
by Jack Ungerleider 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

<Previous Comments snipped for bandwidth conservation> Alexander Staubo wrote: > The Open Source guys just wants "software that doesn't suck". </lurk> I've been watching this debate since the begining and felt I'd put in one observation on the above quotation. I actually think one of the comments in this vain (maybe by ESR) was the goal for "software that sucks less" than the whats out there. I don't think you can create software that doesn't suck in some person opinion. That said what I've learned is if I have to have software that isn't quite where I want it to be I prefer the ability to adapt it myself. One argument against open-source software projects is that they often come from amorphous groups on the Internet. (Zope is an exception.) As a result there is no one to "hang if it fails". What people don't factor into the equation is if I have to pay $X for licenses from a vendor (with or without a support contract) how many hours of contractor time will that buy me to install, customize, administor, and maintain a freely available open-source product? For those fighting this battle inside corporations I recommend http://www.cluetrain.com as a place to visit. More grist for the mill. <lurk> Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack(a)jacku.com

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creator/owner attribute of an object? Mime-type of a file object?
by Mike Fletcher 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

I'm attempting to create a directory list (well, the final version will be more complex, but this is where I'm stuck). I'm looking for some way to get the creator ID for all of the (file) objects in a folder. I'm also interested in getting the mimetype, but this is less critical. Here's what I have so far: <dtml-in "PARENTS[0].objectValues( ['File'])"> url <dtml-var URL1>/<dtml-var id> title <dtml-var title> id <dtml-var id> size <dtml-var size> ddate <dtml-var bobobase_modification_time fmt="%m/%d/%Y"> owner mimetype <dtml-call "getContentType()"> </dtml-in> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'text/plain')"> Unfortunately, getContentType always seems to return null strings, and I cannot find any attribute which shows the owner/creator attribute of the object. If the creator is not available, the last editor would be fine. Pointers appreciated, Mike __________________________________ Mike C. Fletcher Designer, VR Plumber http://members.home.com/mcfletch

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Referencing a Zope Instance through a Hyperlink
by M.J. Stahl 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

I have a group of ZClass (DCTasks) stored in a folder '/tasks/generator/taskstorage' The index_html of '/tasks' is the interface to view the instances and certains properties that are saved on those instances. One of the properties is 'task_title' and is displayed as a hyperlink to view the rest of the properties of the instance. This is my problem, when I check the source of the page (/tasks/index_html) and I take a look at the hyperlinks for viewing the properties of the instance, it gives a URL like so: http://diis/tasks/generator/taskstorage/<string> <string> should actually be replaced with the 'id' of the instance. This is so by the DTML code for index_html: <a href="<dtml-var URL1>/generator/taskstorage/<dtml-var id>"> <dtml-var task_title> </a> I have no idea why a string is taking the place of <dtml-var id> in referance to the instance. Any ideas would be helpful. Best regards, MJ Stahl

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POLL: Preferred browser?
by Curtis Maloney 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Greetings, Look, I don't want to start any holy wars, just to get a head count, more or less. But what are peoples preferred browsers for ZOPE development? Until now, I've been using Netscape, whilst desperately searching for some replacement that didn't haemorhage memory. I think I've even managed to narrow down which part of NS is losing the memory (it's the edit box, which is why it seems to happen quicker when working with ZOPE). However, in my searches I've yet to find ANYTHING under Linux that comes close to the functionality of NS. As I said... I don't want advocacy here, simply name and version, and perhaps a quick rundown of the reason(s) you chose it over others. -- Have a better one, Curtis. <dtml-var standard_work_disclaimer>

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RE: [Zope] Zope needs this (and Dynamo has it)
by Alexander Staubo 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

> From: John Goerzen [mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 9:47 PM > To: Alexander Staubo > Cc: Zope Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope needs this (and Dynamo has it) > > > Alexander Staubo <alex(a)mop.no> writes: > > [snipped] > > > Zope doesn't have the flashy packaging and sexiness of a > product line > > Dynamo -- which, actually, I strongly urge you (and > everybody else in > > this forum) to experience yourself, before you snap back at > my again -- > > and this affects management decisions. Dynamo is > exceedingly sexy, and > > it boasts the kind of bullshit magic that have management and tech > > people alike drooling. > > OK, but see you're trying to make Linux something it is not. Linux is > not about marketing. It is not about world domination. We > specifically do not care about this :-) Now, digicool is a company, > and they probably DO care about this. Making Zope Free Software is a > great way for them -- and us -- to benefit. World domination has nothing to do with it. If Zope were the only tool out there (or if it were enjoying the same kind of monopoly iron grip on the market), that'd not be a Good Thing. At the moment, Zope is still very much a "guerilla" product. It follows that you might have to use guerilla tactics to lure it into your company. Like Linux was just 1-2 years ago. >So your comments should > be addressed at them if you want them to make the sale. Not me, a > Linux hacker. Well, you entered this thread on your own -- I wasn't addressing my post to you. If the elements of the discussion do not concern you, why are you arguing against them? > > As one of my colleagues pointed out, the problem starts > with the name. > > (Somebody out there is hyping what they call Linux' > next-generating GUI. > > And it's called... GNOME. What's wrong with this picture?) > I don't care > > myself, but I recognize the problem. > > But see again, Free Software is not about marketing. The name is > irrelevant to us. Free Software is about what's *right* and what > *works*. We leave the marketing to those that want to do it (such as > digital creations, or whomever else). So again, write to digital > creations' marketing dept. :-) Arguably, free software (or Free Software) is about freedom, not necessarily about what's right or what works. RMS, arguably the grand old man, top banana, and icon of the Free Software movement -- which is not the same as Open Source -- openly admits he'd rather have bad, free software than good, non-free software. The Open Source movement takes the pragmatic view that bad, free software isn't an improvement at all, and that the software industry has little use for RMS' moralisms. The Open Source guys just wants "software that doesn't suck". Perhaps Free Software people don't care about marketing. But then making good impressions or having good hygiene has never been top priorities for geeks. ;-) For some people, outward perceptions do count. I flinch every time somebody sets up Microsoft Exchange Server, or buys some pricey piece of non-compliant Internet software, or seriously argue the significance of ASP. The people who make such decisions are often, sadly, uneducated about what's good and about "software that doesn't suck". *Other* people suffer because of such misfires. Here's a different perspective you might not have taken into account in your salutations to the spirit of Free Software. If Linux *hadn't* been picked up by huge corporations and stock markets, if Linux *hadn't* been rampantly commercialized, would we have seen the surge of wonderful developments and innovations for the OS that we're seeing now? Methinks not. As much as I abhor commercialism and the new Linux hype, Linux' implicit "world domination" plan is doing good things for the OS. Linux is not the ultimate OS and hopefully won't be the last stop on the way to utopia, but I rather look forward to the point where it's usable as a desktop OS and I can forever throw out the software I know for a fact sucks. Marketing, in the case of Open Source/Free Software, is mostly a tool to educate ignorant brass. *We*, as you point out, don't need the stuff. > -- John > -- Alexander Staubo http://alex.mop.no/ "Do not go gentle into that good night/old age should rave and burn against the close of day/Rage, rage against the dying of the light." --Dylan Thomas

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