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alot of general dc, zope, public relations questions
by alan runyan 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

what does digicool offer for commercial products to zope? is beehive, code-it, and digital garage selling or making digicool of 'third party' products that may be of use and bought commercially? zeo is the only product I can find listed on digicools site. how about commercial support for zope? by the hour? what if i just wanna buy chunks of functionality from you and hook it onto zope? I see database adapters for 'high-end' databases such as Oracle (8i?), Sybase, and heard DB2 is in works... what about extra pre-built functionality that exploits the data in these databases? does large commercial companies like ishophere.com d/l community products and install them and use them internally? use them in production? what about everyone else? currently I'm looking for workflows inside an application server -> pre-built: author->editor->publisher workflow but something like siteserver w/ the transaction pipeline- where i can arrange around the 'workflow' of web content. here is what i've come up w/ in few words: spectra (lots of pre-built) has lots of workflows looks like what I want- but it runs on coldfusion :(. vignette has workflows + oodles of other functionality you didnt know you needed and where too stupid to ask (? impression from what little i've read). frontier is complete customized user-talk scripting language- contains few work flow products but it was mentioned somewhere you could custom build them (i couldnt imagine having the option of custom building that). then we have zope, suppose to have a product (?) of some kind coming out soon (but no specifics) and it appears from digicool web site and one time I asked them what they sold they mentioend 'bug collector' and zTables, any ideas of putting that up on your web site? (too much to maintain)?. but there is no formal writings on the web site that digicool would sell you anything except consulting services and training. another huge criteria is that I'm running the catalog on siteserver currently.. but want to mix in zope as content management (this sounds like perfect application for zope). but Zope cant be used w/ ASP (?is this TRUELY impossible?!. I dont know how it would happen, but i believe a solution must be possible) - which instantly kills it and pretty much every other product - I've looked at: except frontier and maybe vignette (i dont know tcl and alot more developers are geeked up other python than tcl). anyway: I've shown some developers Zope and most can not get past the web site --zope.org attention-- (zope.org - i personally like it.. although its getting old, visiting it everyday 8) design (mix of fonts, unsexy graphics, poor navigation -> please make Browse the DTML Reference online here. abit more obvious (documentation page) this should be accented w/ a graphic or much more pronounced text like the .tgz) --/zope.org attention-- and the digicool.com web site only speaks of ZEO, and some open source pdfs, ang lots of press releases. NOTE: I'm sure you would rather spend time developing Zope than the website advertising zope.. but it needs to happen for marketing purposes. not HUGE, simple and slick - roxen has a very nice web site. Its just Zope doesnt seem like a commercial viability. does anyone else get that impression? anyway- where is Zope going? can we look forward to y2k as the year for 3rd party zope support? w/ digicool putting their seal of approval on canned products? people running Mozilla to interface into 'raw zope environment'? pythonmethods are incredibly neat- now that they are over @ D.C., any news on import :) btw: is there anything on other application servers ANYWHERE AS COOL as pythonmethods? or even pluggable brains?? (this is marketing genius term, btw) or zClasses?!?! how about cheap (?) or not-so-cheap prebuilt ready-to-roll products for zope? I want to express my utter amazement and appreciation to the Digital Creations programming team for coming up with this gem. once its abit more polished - i couldnt imagine it NOT being embraced by a majority of web development houses. and Ive yet to see any performance numbers? I dont know much about benchmarking zope- I have some webload software at work where i can get some performance numbers and post them back to the web site. I know that statistics can be bent to speak any 'truth' but this is only way I know to see how well zope does do in artifically 'stressed environment' - I work w/ a client that get ~10-15 million requests a day, I just dont think zope could keep up w/ that.. I'm most likely very wrong.. but you wouldnt know it by looking on the web site, honestly). I would imagine ishophere ran ~1 million requests/day - its not running too terribly many requests directly through, no? please make zope sexy so my friends and the world will like it. Amos definetly sex'd up Zope w/ his article at xml.com cheers, alan runyaga(a)thisbox.com p.s. if I'm out of line, by being so critical, shoot me. but these issues were raised by many people over my reign of advocacy at work and these are real world gripes - I've encountered. p.p.s. are you going to make all/some/most python conference zope-based material and lectures available over the internet?

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ZopeTalk (an invitation)
by Eron Lloyd 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

Greetings, fellow Zopers! Wanna talk Zope? Have a handful of newbie questions? Get together with others 24 hours a day in the EFNet Zope IRC channel. The irc.ais.net server is a good one to try - just type "/join #zope" to get in on the discussion. We'll send an invitation once a month to remind everybody about it (this could cut down on mailing list traffic...). See you there! Aquarius :-)

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RE: [Zope] Zope woes continue - server going down regularly. (pos sible solution)
by Michel Pelletier 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Cayce Ullman [mailto:c_ullman@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:26 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org; panda(a)skinnyhippo.com > Subject: [Zope] Zope woes continue - server going down regularly. > (possible solution) > > > >>> Alternatively, the server just hangs and doesn't > respond > >>> (but ps -aux shows the process is running). > >> > >>Is it spinning? (consuming 100% CPU resources?) or > hung? (consuming > >>none..) > > I noticed a couple of weeks ago that my Zope, > started spinning when I hit a certain page 5 or > 6 times. I noticed that this page was different > from the others as it tried to do a Zope.app(). > This was interesting cause the actual Zope.app() > call worked, except it would eventually hose the > server. I figured I was just doing something wrong > and figured out another way to do it. Anyway, > here's how to reproduce the problem : > > Create a external method that looks like this : > > import Zope > > def helloworld(self): > x = Zope.app() > return "Hello World" This is because the connection gets opened, but never closed. Zope 2.x is hardwired to have only 7 available database connections. We'll probably add a knob in 2.2 that lets you configure the number of db connections. In either case, the problem is not the hardwiring, the problem is that your code has a bug in it, because you do not free the resource you are consuming. Do an: x.close() at the end of your method and you won't run out of connections. -Michel

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Re: [Zope] Using ZODB vs files
by rgines＠purina.com 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

>Would it technically and/or morally be better to use the ZODB instead? >How much effort would the switch need (it'll be my first use of the >ZODB) ? You hit it on the head. The ethically proper, morally imperative, politically correct and spiritual fullfilling way to do this would be with the ZODB. Technically ... the answer is whatever works best for you. Personally I like the ZODB but a large part of that is that I'm learning Python through Zope and not the other way around. I'm far from being a Python Zen Master.

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RE: [Zope] REPOST: newbie: suddenly only 1 thread! where have the other 3 gone?
by Michel Pelletier 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Maarten Slaets [mailto:maarten.slaets@kpnqwest.com] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 4:58 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] REPOST: newbie: suddenly only 1 thread! where have the > other 3 gone? > > > Hi, > > I'm reposting my message of 3/12 because I haven't received > any answers yet > and it's quite a big problem for us. I have external methods > that can lag > the > system for a cpl of minutes, so then I need other threads to > keep serving > the > other users > > any hints are appreciated. > (ex. where can I define the # of zope threads if i'm using pcgi) > > Maarten Slaets wrote: > > > > hi, > > I've had our zope site up for some time now without a > problem. however, > > since a couple of days, only 1 python process gets spawned: > > nobody 11614 1 0 Nov 18 ? 2:24 python > > /usr/local/Zope-2.0.1-src/pcgi/pcgi_publisher.py > > This used to be 4 of 'em, like it ought to be. Python is > 1.52 and to my > > knowledge nothing has been changed to apache and pcgi (I > use zope 2.0.1 as a > > virtual host under apache, using pcgi to call zope) > > have any of you experienced something alike or have > suggestion where to > > look? (I know there's the -t swith for ZServer, but since I use > > pcgi_publisher.py instead of z2.py ...) pcgi_publisher.py does not fire up Zope in multi-thread mode. You must run ZServer to get multiple threads. You can still use Apache and PCGI, ZServer understands PCGI requests. Run z2.py -h and look at the -p option. -Michel

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dtml-try question (quickie)
by Sam Gendler 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

Didn't I see some comments somewhere that the dtml-try tag now includes something like a dtml-else tag, so that we can have code that executes only if an exception is NOT thrown. Does someone know the syntax for this if it exists? --sam

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pc - vs - mac
by Kyle Burnett 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

so we want to serve up a differnet element depending on the user's platform. has anyone tried this in zope? is a simple javascript the answer or is there a zope method to accomplish this? thanks, kyle http://www.newtimes.com

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Using ZODB vs files
by Shalabh Chaturvedi 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

I've written a tiny external method which walks my IE bookmarks folder and returns a list of bookmarks. To implement caching I'm currently storing this list in a file 'bookmarks.pickle'. Works just fine. Would it technically and/or morally be better to use the ZODB instead? How much effort would the switch need (it'll be my first use of the ZODB) ? Thanks, ~Shalabh

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CVS
by Magnus Heino 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

Hi. In your public cvs repository, are you using branches for each release, tags, or anything? Is it only possible to checkout the latest developer version, or do you create a branch for say 2.2.1 and then add all bugfixes to it until the next public release? /Magnus Heino

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REPOST: newbie: suddenly only 1 thread! where have the other 3 gone?
by Maarten Slaets 17 Dec '99

17 Dec '99

Hi, I'm reposting my message of 3/12 because I haven't received any answers yet and it's quite a big problem for us. I have external methods that can lag the system for a cpl of minutes, so then I need other threads to keep serving the other users any hints are appreciated. (ex. where can I define the # of zope threads if i'm using pcgi) Maarten Slaets wrote: > > hi, > I've had our zope site up for some time now without a problem. however, > since a couple of days, only 1 python process gets spawned: > nobody 11614 1 0 Nov 18 ? 2:24 python > /usr/local/Zope-2.0.1-src/pcgi/pcgi_publisher.py > This used to be 4 of 'em, like it ought to be. Python is 1.52 and to my > knowledge nothing has been changed to apache and pcgi (I use zope 2.0.1 as a > virtual host under apache, using pcgi to call zope) > have any of you experienced something alike or have suggestion where to > look? (I know there's the -t swith for ZServer, but since I use > pcgi_publisher.py instead of z2.py ...) > > -- > Maarten Slaets > Web Developer > KPNQwest Belgium > http://www.fonky.com/vcard/MaartenSlaets/ -- Maarten Slaets Web Developer KPNQwest Belgium http://www.fonky.com/vcard/MaartenSlaets/

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