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Palm & Zope.
by Otto Hammersmith 24 May '99

24 May '99

Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone out there has done any work related to publishing documents written on a PalmPilot via Zope. The obvious route is to author structured text on the Pilot (memopad or a Doc file editor, preferably Doc to avoid the 4K limit of memopad) and upload that manually. I have two problems with that kind of setup: The first is the manual publishing of documents. Ideally, though the documents would be sent to the Zope server on Hot Synch. What folder they were published in could be dictated by the category of the document. My second problem is with structured text itself- with the lack of horisontal space the need to indent paragraphs to get headings is a pain. I'd prefer something similar to Emacs' outline mode which uses consecutive *'s at the beginning of a line to show it is a heading and what level it is. (Of course, writing the HTML tags on the Palm is an option, but that does beome very tedious.) So my questions are: 1) Has anyone written code to read Doc files and upload them to Zope. This shouldn't be very hard but I wouldn't want to duplicate existing effort. 2) How hard would it be to extend/modify the structured text module to do what I want? (I've been lurking long enough to hear about Z-Classes but I haven't learned enough to know whether that applies here.) Thanks in advance. (For the curious, I wrote this e-mail on my Palm IIIx. :) -Otto.

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RE: [Zope] trees
by Michel Pelletier 24 May '99

24 May '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Oleg Machulski [mailto:oleg_machulski@geocities.com] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 4:18 AM > To: Dmitry B. Khlonin; zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] trees > > > I tried the following DTML code: > >  > >  > , '' >  > The objects that your tree tag iterates over must have an 'id' attribute if you want to say  Otherwise the DocumentTemplate will look 'up' in the namespace and find the folders 'id', like it does. Unlike, 'in' where there is a 'sequence-item' variable, the 'tree' tag has no coresponding 'tree-item' variable. It is just assumed you are iterating over objects with attributes that you are looking for. Adding a 'tree-item' looks like a good idea, then you could say  to get what looks like your looking for. Patches, as allways, are welcome, otherwise this will go on the back burner. -Michel PS: Oleg, can you not send HTML formated mail to the list? It makes it a bit difficute to answer your mail from mailers that don't support HTML. > > and it generates the tree with 5 branches (accoarding to 5 > keys in array > 'ttt'), > but  is substituted as id of folder, containing > this dtml > method. > I just do not know why this construction works :-), but seems, we have > to guess > 2 things: > 1) how to retrieve leaves for each branch > 2) which symbol to use in the body of the #tree tag to display > contents. > > after we guess guess it, it is possible to write 2 external python > methods, > which will retrieve corresponding sets from the database. > > btw, I tried to find an example of such a custom tree in the Zope > examples, > or elsewhere in the internet, but search failed :-( > > -- > Best regards > > Oleg Machulski > ---------------------------------------------------- > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Network/7671/ > mailto:oleg_machulski@geocities.com > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] Zope vs CVS (Re: [ZDP] OpenContent issues)
by Michel Pelletier 24 May '99

24 May '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Rice [mailto:alrice@swcp.com] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 12:21 AM > To: jim(a)digicool.com > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope vs CVS (Re: [ZDP] OpenContent issues) > > > > On Wed, 19 May 1999 09:18:52 -0400, > Jim Fulton <jim(a)digicool.com> said: > > [stuff about CVS...] > > Jim> Zope, on the other hand, is transaction oriented. Zope tracks > Jim> meta-data for transactions, not individual objects. > This is a much > Jim> saner approach, IMO. > > > But from a development point of view, it's it little rough going > figuring out the alternatives to just typing DTML in an HTML > form. Import and Export only can use pickled python objects right? In > Visual Age you can import/export source code, compiled code, > or archived > code. > Zope is a development environment, but it is also a dynamic backend to public network services. It would be trivial to add a 'code' object and allow that object to execute arbitrary python in the Zope process space, but then there would be only this thin Basic authenticated security mechanism to prevent others from puting arbitrary code directly into your Zope. This is not so say that Zope security is weak, it is quite strong (the weakest link in the chain is acutally HTTP) and there are stronger alternatives if you want to pay the cost of time and possible money to impliment SSL. If someone breaks into your Zope, all they can do is munge up some objects and maybe restart, but you can allways go in and roll-back the database to fix their damage. There is no way for a user to execute arbitrary code as the UID of the Zope process. All of those abilities require access to the underlying OS (External Methods, Python Products, etc.) which is assumed to have a higher level of access authority. > In Zope the other methods add more complexity: FTP support is rough or > broken, WebDAV is coming soon, Netscape PUT is rumored to > work, not that > great. I have no idea how all these ways of editing zope objects map > into the "transaction oriented" model which you speak of. FTP support works like a charm here, the only thing I would like it to do is traverse into ZClasses, and I'll be implimenting that sometime after the 2.0 final release. WebDAV is as complete as the RFC is, and works quite well with SiteCopy and with what parts of the spec MSIE 5.0 impliments, never used Netscape PUT but once and it worked then, but it's possible there are problems, I'd venture to guess they were netscape problems because I had a hell of a time getting Netscape publishing to work with Roxen about a year ago. Since Netscape publishing has left a bad taste in my mouth. The ZODB is fully transactional. This means that multiple object stores can be called a 'transaction' and if one doesn't happen, then none of them do, or if one is undone, they are all undone. Essentialy transactionality allows you to take a group of operations and make them one atomic operation. Many higher end relational databases support the notion of transactions on records, Zope supports the notion of transations on objects. Transactions are most obviously a benefit for staged development, and they are the mechanism behind versions, which allow you to work on a personal 'copy' of the database and only commit the changes you've made when you are sure the whole thing is working, thus 'commiting' the transaction. And because all of the work done in a version is one transaction, the whole mess can be undone cleanly. -Michel > > Alex Rice | alrice(a)swcp.com | http://www.swcp.com/~alrice > Current Location: N. Rio Grande Bioregion, Southwestern USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] Zope & Apache
by Michel Pelletier 24 May '99

24 May '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Mead [mailto:chuck@moongroup.com] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 1:00 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Zope & Apache > > > > I'm trying to run Zope with Apache... but I can't get into "manage". > <snip> > > Can somebody hit me with the clue-bat? > I'd suggest turning your rewrite log up to 9 and hitting Zope a couple of times. This might give you a revealing clue. Getting Zope to work with apache can be tricky, different versions of mod_rewrite either want or don't want a trailing slash after Zope but before the regexp, Directory attributes like ExecCGI must be specified etc. Apache is a very good, big multi-knobbed beast. Another option is to check out Zap, the precompiled and configured Zope+Apache for Linux. Even if you don't want to use the Zap binary per se, you can still look at *it's* httpd.conf file, which I can guarentee works cuz I'm using it right now. -Michel PS: Zap can be found at http://www.zope.org/Download/Releases/Zap-1.1.0 > Cheers! > -- > Chuck Mead, CTO - Moongroup Consulting, Inc.- http://www.moongroup.com/ Need help with sendmail/fetchmail/procmail or MUA's? Join the mailhelp mailing list. Send "s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e" (no quotes and no hyphens) in the subject line to mailhelp-request(a)moongroup.com to join. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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A Public Standing Ovation!
by Hadar Pedhazur 24 May '99

24 May '99

I would like to personally and publicly give a standing ovation to everyone at Digital Creations for the magnificent job they did at LinuxExpo this past week. This includes all of the preparation that went on pre-show (for quite a long period), and not just those brave souls who talked their voices out, and demoed their hearts out. I had reasonably high expectations before the show, but they were greatly exceeded in every possible dimension. Every individual at DC had an exceptionally strong personal presence with individuals, corporate types, the media, etc. The energy was contagious. Not just for DC, but even a few of the surrounding booths seemed to feed off of the energy in the DC booth. Paul uses the word "gravity" to describe some of the general momentum at DC. The word is perfect to describe how a much higher percentage of folks were "drawn in" (gravity?) to the DC booth than to the average booth at LinuxExpo. The demos were (as you have heard before) fantastic. The amazing thing about the demos is that they conveyed very clearly, in roughly 10 minutes, some extremely powerful concepts. Most people got it (perhaps after asking a question or two :-). This is a really hard thing to do, and again, the DC crowd should be congratulated not only for building the software to allow these seminal ideas to be realized, but for distilling all of the amazing things they could have demonstrated down to a handful of cohesive and coherent relatively simple operations that encapsulated the essence of Zope, the Portal Toolkit, etc. Paul gave a speech on Open Source and Business on Saturday morning. It was attended by nearly 100 people. No one left early (I didn't attend any other talks, but I heard that it was quite common to have a number of early leavers). They gave him a very nice ovation at the end, and easily a third of the attendees hung around afterwards to exchange cards with Paul and me. P.S. And, in the spirit of the Python community, immediately after hitting deliver, I'm leaving for the seven hour drive home after an exhausting and exhilirating week :-)

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RE: [Zope] UserDb extensions
by Paul Everitt 24 May '99

24 May '99

> Reed wrote: > > Unfortunately, nothing beyond Basic Auth. seems to be Well, Digest Authentication has now been finalized and is implemented (I believe) in IE5, though Netscape 5 won't have it. > > standard, except full blown SSL, encrypting thre entire > traffic stream > > (and it does slow things down). I suppose a Java applet > would work, or > > perhaps even some really clever javascript? Eventually, > this turns into > > a Diffie-Hellman key exchange sort of thing, doesn't it? This is precisely the kind of thing Chris Petrilli was looking at doing. He's going to be taking over security in Zope, so I expect sometime in the next 3 months we'll make some kind of progress here. --Paul

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different content from 9673 and CGI version of database!
by Tony McDonald 24 May '99

24 May '99

Hi all, This is weird, I have a Zope server running on port 9673 on a machine. I also have an Apache rewrite rule that starts up a pcgi_publisher.py process. The rewrite rule points to the right cgi and the Apache web server logs show that things are happening. My rewrite rule is; RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization} ^(.*) RewriteRule ^/(.*) /home/nnle/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/$1 [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] The file /home/nnle/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi is; #!/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/pcgi/bin/pcgi-wrapper PCGI_NAME=Main PCGI_MODULE_PATH=/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/lib/p ython/Main.py PCGI_PUBLISHER=/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/pcgi/pc gi_publisher.py PCGI_EXE=/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/bin/python PCGI_SOCKET_FILE=/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/var/pcgi.soc PCGI_PID_FILE=/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/var/pcgi.pid PCGI_ERROR_LOG=/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/var/pcgi.log PCGI_DISPLAY_ERRORS=1 PYTHONHOME=/home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc BOBO_REALM=Zope BOBO_DEBUG_MODE=1 and the directory /home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/ contains the var directory with my Data.bbb file in it. I'm *almost certain* that I'm using the same Data.bbb file (I say 'almost' because I can't figure it any other way). The Apache URL gives the location as: /home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/var/Data.bbb and the 9673 URL gives the location as: /home/nnle/zope/Zope-1.10.2-solaris-2.5.1-sparc/var/Data.bbb But the content is *different* depending on whether I use the Apache URL and the port 9673 URL. Can anyone give me a clue as to what stupid thing I've done now? (sigh). Tone ------ Dr Tony McDonald, FMCC, Networked Learning Environments Project The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 222 5888 Fingerprint: 3450 876D FA41 B926 D3DD F8C3 F2D0 C3B9 8B38 18A2

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