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RE: [Zope] [ZOPE.ORG] suggestion for download area (replacement)
by Paul Everitt 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

Philip wrote: > On the download page it would be nice to have an explination > of what the > software is for. Ditto for contributed software. Funny you should mention that. Two hours I scheduled a chat with Ken to talk about restructuring the package information on zope.org. Good timing! If any of you have ideas on how you'd like it to be, whip up some HTML and send it to me. > For example, how do I find out what confera will do without > installing it > and spending a week playing with it? That is what I did with > Zope. It is > not the best way to sell software, even free stuff! Funny thing is that I don't think you can actuall find Confera on the site right now if you don't know the URL. But you're right, everything should have a Summary. Ahh, but then we slip instantly into a metadata discussion: "Is it Summary or Description? We ought to use a standard set of metadata, like [RPM, IAFA, Trove, Dublin Core, ...]" For once I'd like an answer without ten questions attached :^) > Maybe there could be a second link to a document explaining what the > component does. (It could be writen by the contributer of the > software, so > it wouldn't be much work for the zope.org webmaster.) That would be > especially great in the contributed software. What are > XMLConfig, MySQL > Input Wizard, slashdot.py anyways! They sound interesting but > I am still > learning 10 other things, I need to know what they do first! Yup. > This is the INFORMATION AGE, afterall! Oh, that's what you call the stuff I'm drowning in? :^) --Paul

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RE: [Zope] Splitting the Zope mailling
by Michel Pelletier 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bernstein [mailto:mbernstein@profitscape.net] > > Ok, after a bit more thought, I came up with a fourth list: > zope-bugs(a)zope.org > Bugs should be reported to the Bug Collector, not to a mail list. I think I might understand your reasoning, but it is reasonable enough for someone to post a message to the zope@ list to find out if their problem is their fault or a bug, and then to report it to the Collector. -Michel (Keep the sugestions coming) > Michael Bernstein. > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope >

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RE: [Zope] [UNIX INSTALL] ZopeHTTPserver/Zserver questions
by Paul Everitt 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

Philip wrote: > I am very confused. I understand that Zserver is a new and > improved server > but ZopeHTTPserver comes with the distribution (including > 1.10.2). Also, > threads are off by default (with ZopeHTTPserver). Yes, it's all pretty confusing. We have quite a few pokers in the fire right now. The thread support only allows the I/O to be concurrent. Execution inside your app will still be nonconcurrent until Zope2. > Should I be using Zserver or is it still beta? What is/will > be better about it? Beta, we should be so lucky! :^) As Chris mentioned it's alpha, for the reasons he stated. > Should I turn on threads with ZopeHTTPserver? I did, and it > seems to work > (Redhat Linux 5.2). Is that to allow multiple simultaneous requests? As explained above, no, just to read input from the browser and send output back to it. Zope2 is the push for concurrency. This involves two main areas: a concurrent publisher and a concurrent transaction system. The first area is ZServer, which as you can see is coming along nicely. The second area is the "BoboPOS3" effort to make the database and the transaction manager able to have multiple simultaneous requests. We expected to get the database work caught up with ZServer this month, but a customer project pushed Zope Classes up the priority scale. If a customer gig comes along the requires concurrency it will certainl displace other things at the top of the list. BTW, prepare to be dazzled by Zope Classes. When combined with Zope Property Sheets, it's going to radically change the way folks think about data on the web. > I also killed my apache and switch ZopeHTTPserver to port 80 so that I > could see it from home through a firewall that I can't open > port 9673 on. > Now I can work nights and weekends, too! :) I can't see any > reason to keep > apache. My site is internal, low traffic, 90% dynamic. From > what I read in > the performance posts I am better off with ZopeHTTPserver, correct? I believe you are correct, sir. --Paul

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www.zope.org doesn't support reget
by Gregor Hoffleit 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

An annoyance I noticed way back when I tried to download Zope 1.9.0: www.zope.org (and therefore Zope ?) doesn't seem to support the HTTP Range header, i.e. a reget (wget -c) for an interrupted download didn't work. Is this known, is this intended, is this still true, and will/can it be fixed in the future ? Gregor

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[ZOPE.ORG] suggestion for download area (replacement)
by Philip Aylesworth 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

Oops! I sent it before I was done. Here is the complete one. A frustration of mine: On the download page it would be nice to have an explination of what the software is for. Ditto for contributed software. For example, how do I find out what confera will do without installing it and spending a week playing with it? That is what I did with Zope. It is not the best way to sell software, even free stuff! Maybe there could be a second link to a document explaining what the component does. (It could be writen by the contributer of the software, so it wouldn't be much work for the zope.org webmaster.) That would be especially great in the contributed software. What are XMLConfig, MySQL Input Wizard, slashdot.py anyways! They sound interesting but I am still learning 10 other things, I need to know what they do first! This is the INFORMATION AGE, afterall! Phil. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Philip Aylesworth Information Systems Manager phila(a)regalint.com PGP public key: http://www.regalint.com/PGPkeys/phila.html

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RE: [Zope] Preserving Settings during a user's session
by Paul Everitt 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

Jeff wrote: > I'm trying to accomplish something and I can't figure out an > elegant way to > do it. A long, long time ago -- back around September -- the we had a discussion about this in a pre-historical time known as Bobo. At the time there was sufficient lobbying for a "Session" idea that Jim Fulton actually agreed to change the currently-named Session idea (where you do a lot of work in a private view then "make it live") to Version. Unfortunately we never did the Session idea. > I need to preserve variables, like State=CA or ID=5, > throughout a user's > session, unless I specifically change them in a page (i.e. I > change ID=5 to > ID=4). > > I can think of two methods: > a. Passing all the values in the link syntax for all page links: > <a href=page_name?ID=5&State=CA&Region=1&Tab=Guide>Link text</a> > > b. Storing the values in cookies. I'd prefer not to use > cookies as this will > be a public web site and some people have privacy concerns > about cookies. > > Anybody got a better idea? First, do you feel this is a general-purpose facility that Zope should provide? And no cheating just because *you* need it :^) It appears that your requirement is: Store some information associated with what a specific user is doing during a specific interval of work. Any solutions must: a. Be specific to a single user. b. Store information in a way that expires somehow, otherwise it doesn't just accumulate. c. Not give a performance hit. The previous Bobo discussion centered on creating Session objects that would exhibit themselves either as cookies or as pseudo-objects in the URL. --Paul

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[UNIX INSTALL] ZopeHTTPserver/Zserver questions
by Philip Aylesworth 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

I am very confused. I understand that Zserver is a new and improved server but ZopeHTTPserver comes with the distribution (including 1.10.2). Also, threads are off by default (with ZopeHTTPserver). Should I be using Zserver or is it still beta? What is/will be better about it? Should I turn on threads with ZopeHTTPserver? I did, and it seems to work (Redhat Linux 5.2). Is that to allow multiple simultaneous requests? I also killed my apache and switch ZopeHTTPserver to port 80 so that I could see it from home through a firewall that I can't open port 9673 on. Now I can work nights and weekends, too! :) I can't see any reason to keep apache. My site is internal, low traffic, 90% dynamic. From what I read in the performance posts I am better off with ZopeHTTPserver, correct? Thanks, Phil. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Philip Aylesworth Information Systems Manager phila(a)regalint.com PGP public key: http://www.regalint.com/PGPkeys/phila.html

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[ZOPE.ORG] suggestion for download area
by Philip Aylesworth 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

A frustration of mine: On the download page it would be nice to have an explination of what the software is for. Ditto for contributed software. For example, how do I find out what confera will do without installing it and spending a week playing with it? That is what I did with Zope. It is not the best way to sell software, even free stuff! An even better example: Zope! If someone hears about it on freashmeat, for example, and has no idea what a web aplication framework is, they won't find out at Maybe there could be a second link to a document explaining what the component does. (It could be writen by the contributer of the software, so it wouldn't be much work for the zope.org webmaster.) That would be especially great in the contributed software. What are XMLConfig, MySQL Input Wizard, slashdot.py anyways! They sound interesting but I am still learning 10 other things, I need to know what they do first! This is the INFORMATION AGE, afterall! Phil. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Philip Aylesworth Information Systems Manager phila(a)regalint.com PGP public key: http://www.regalint.com/PGPkeys/phila.html

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programming under zope
by Sebastian Luehnsdorf 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

hi! i have a few questions concerning programming python under zope: - i need to write a keyword search engine, but how can i scan the documents in the data.bbb file? - i need to read and write files but my attempts failed - is this a problem with my script or a common situation? - i want to store small amounts of information - what is the best approach (a database connection would be overkill) ciao, basti --------------------------------------------------------------------- sebastian f. luehnsdorf beehive elektronische medien gmbh --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://basti.beehive.de http://www.beehive.de mailto:basti@beehive.de mailto:service@beehive.de fon: (+49 30) 84 78 20 fax: (+49 30) 84 78 22 99

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Re: [Zope] Zope - NT- DBF
by Service Informatique CHSR 26 Feb '99

26 Feb '99

>Luca wrote: >> Which "pieces" do I need ? >> I've heard something about Tabula or ZTable but there >> aren't present in the distribution (not even in1.10). > >This came up a couple of days ago: > > http://www.zope.org/pipermail/zope/1999-February/001973.html > >--Paul Sorry, I still don't know what ZTables is. Regards, Jephte CLAIN Service Informatique CHSR

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