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FYI: My lucky day, two testimonials
by Paul Everitt 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

Thanks to Theodore at Indigo Networks, it's my lucky day -- two testimonials. Thanks! http://www.zope.org/Community/Testimonials/ --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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RE: [Zope] DISCUSS: Improving default content
by Theodore Patrick 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

<START> Including several folders of info would be most helpful especially considering the ability to view the source and view the results. This will make the learning curve disappear. Personally I never realized the elegance of Zope until I started working with forms and considering there was only one example of that feature. It took me a while to be singing its praises mostly because of the learning curve. <Proposed EXAMPLES> 1. A mock site showing the functions and included comments 2. Language Guide with examples a. Syntax for DTML - General Examples b. ZOPE Methods and examples of each c. Variables and examples of each d. Zope Expressions and examples Go through examples of the different tags #var #if #call #expr #else #unless #in #raise #comments #tree #sendmail formatting syntax batch processing variables and attributes _= namespace variable math attributes string attributes whrandom attributes name lookup request variables and attributes response variables and attributes cgi-defined variables and attributes 3. General Zope Guide to OO Design 4. Zope Access Control and Security 5. SQL and Database Publishing 1. SQL Language Guide - Examples in Zope 6. ZOPE ZEN 7. ZOPE SITE **** GOOD CALL***** </Proposed EXAMPLES> KEEP IT SIMPLE AND CLEAN AND YOU WILL BROADEN THE ZOPE USER BASE. We will all benefit. <END> Thanks, Theodore E. Patrick email: tpatrick(a)indigonetworks.com <mailto:tpatrick@indigonetworks.com> phone: 615-777-0070 ext.125 Indigo Networks - The Ultimate Choice In Who Sees You. http://www.indigonetworks.com

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DISCUSS: Improving default content
by Paul Everitt 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

Howdy folks. Amos and I have a task for the final 1.10 release to overhaul and improve the default database that ships with Zope. Zope should provide, out of the box, attractive content that is effective in introducing new users to Zope. Since we are on track to be in the RH 6 Powertools CD and the Debian distribution, the 1.10 database needs to be pretty good. Obviously there is an overlap to our in-progress overhaul of the zope.org site, where we want to make it very easy for people to quickly find out what Zope is and why they should invest time and energy in exploring it. Thus, I'm soliciting comments for how we can improve the default content. As a postscript, I'd like to reiterate our apologies for our drop in attention over the last two weeks. We really are fighting off the disaster of getting screwed by our InfiNet, our (now previous) ISP. Our entire office is dialed up over one modem as one IP address. Hacking around this has consumed much of the engineering time around here :^(. --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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OT: Need to compare Python to Perl and Basic for Proposal
by Brad Clements 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

Sorry this is off-topic. I'm trying to convince Novell to sponser a port of Python (and hence, Zope) to the NetWare platform. NetWare already supports the following languages on the server: C Java JavaScript Basic (like VB) Perl Essentially, I need to convince Novell that Python is a better language, or has more support, or more pre-packaged solutions, etc, than Perl, Java or Basic. Does anyone know of any white papers comparing Python and Perl? Any "history of Perl" vs. "history of Python"? Novell has a significant investment in server-side interpreted langauges already. I'm also concerned about resource utilization, such as memory and processor time, for typical operations in perl vs. Python. Thanks for any suggestions.. Brad Clements, bkc(a)murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com ICQ: 14856937

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FYI: Thanks for the testimonial, Timothy!
by Paul Everitt 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

I'd like to thank Timothy Grant from Avalon Technology Group for sending in a testimonial just now: http://www.zope.org/Community/Testimonials/ --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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problem compiling ZSybaseDA
by WWW Admin 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

hi, when compiling ZSybaseDA, libtli needs to be included. however, it didn't come with open client for linux (where make is looking for it) nor did it come with the ZSybase DA. anybody know where i can find libtli? or am i doing anything wrong? regards, webman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- webman | _ beehive GmbH | ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) berlin, Germany | - against HTML email X http://www.beehive.de | & vcards / \

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RE: [Zope] Documentation & Examples
by Paul Everitt 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

Theodore wrote: > I hate manuals as do many others. > I learn by example. > Without good examples of ZOPE DTML, DEVELOPMENT IS DIFFICULT > with this great > product. Tell you what -- you send me a list of scenarios that you'd like an example of and I'll see if we can get something done. Is something like Andy Smith's "DTML Example Folder" in the contributions at: http://www.zope.org/Download/Contrib/ the kind of thing you are looking for? > I KNOW - "RTFM" but there's barely any DTML in the > 1. Z Document Template Markup Language User's Guide > 2. Zope Manager's Guide > > HTML is easy to learn because of VIEW SOURCE. > DTML is difficult because of a lack of examples. True. > There are very few examples in the documentation and well > commented code is > hard to come by anywhere on the ZOPE site, except for 6 great > examples in > the How-to section. > > IS there a DTML Code Library for Idiots out there!!! There certainly should be. We ought to ship Andy's contributions in the default database that ships with Zope. > Put together a simple library of code > 1. Include clear comments > 2. Document individual functions > 3. Make it for idiots not code junkies > > Two things will happen. > > 1. ALLOT MORE USERS > 2. ALLOT MORE SOURCE DTML > > Everybody Wins!!!! > > </FLAME> > > Don't get me wrong! Zope is a fantastic Product and is one of the best > application servers on the market for any price. We use it > all the time. Ahh, perfect opportunity for a <COUNTERFLAME>. We don't expect people to pay us or require people to attribute us. But we do actively solicit testimonials, as newcomers to Zope first evaluate by looking at other case studies and testimonials. Unfortunately I don't see you listed at: http://www.zope.org/Community/Testimonials/ Any <FLAME> carries a lot more weight when it comes from someone that is working with us a partner and helping to spread the good word about Zope. With that said, though, your comments are certainly correct. We make it too hard to uncover the beauty of Zope. --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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CHANGING A PROPERTY IN DTML
by Theodore Patrick 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

Amos, How do you change a property of a folder in DTML. Assume a folder named ted: Properties of ted folder are: fname = ted lname = patrick mi = e How do you set the ted.fname to Fred from a simple form? Thanks, Theodore E. Patrick Indigo Networks email: tpatrick(a)indigonetworks.com <mailto:tpatrick@indigonetworks.com> phone: 615-777-0070 ext.125

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Could DC _PLEASE_ get rid of the old bobo list?
by The Dragon De Monsyne 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

Could the the folks at Digicool PLEASE get rid of the old bobo list, and alias bobo(a)digicool.com to zope(a)zope.org ? The old list is a simple reflector, and it's acting as a SPAM channel. with it redirected, MailMan could catch the spam, and legitimate traffic (presumabally from newbies who got the old address somewhere) would go to the zope list where it really belongs. -Thanx -The Dragon De Monsyne

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help wanted: new PIL GIF encoder needs testing!
by Fredrik Lundh 12 Feb '99

12 Feb '99

(reposted from image-sig(a)python.org) By some odd reason, I wrote a PCX encoder for PIL this weekend. While PCX uses a simple run-length encoding scheme, it still produced files that were much smaller than the "uncompressed by legal reasons" GIF files you get from the current version of PIL. Anyway, when my good friend the mad scientist heard about this, he asked me why I didn't use run-length encoding also for the GIF files (while run-length en- coding often gives smaller files, it's not even remotely similar to the patented LZW algorithm) After some experimentation, I've managed to write a new GIF encoder which uses run-length encoding (this wasn't exactly trivial ;-). this gives files that are typically 30%-50% of the size generated by earlier versions (ranging from exactly the same size as before, down to files that are actually smaller than the corresponding GIF files...) But I need your help in testing this on a larger sample of GIF files and GIF readers. If you have some time to spare, and a PIL 1.0b1 build within reach, you can grab the "patch" from: http://www.pythonware.com/madscientist/gif-990208.zip replace libImaging/Gif.h and libImaging/GifEncode.c with the versions in this file, and rebuild. You can then use the checkgif.py script on a bunch of existing GIF files to make sure it works on your data. If you have some extra time to spare, you could also try loading GIF files generated by this encoder with whatever GIF-reading software you have. Report your findings to me (I'm not on this list). If I don't hear anything at all, or if I only hear positive things, this will go into the next PIL release. Cheers /F fredrik(a)pythonware.com http://www.pythonware.com

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