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RE: [Zope] - Encryption
by Paul Everitt 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

Magnus wrote: > It still would be nice to have a standard tool that worked > with Zope (at > least IMO.) I guess it would be possible to follow the route > of pgp and > have two versions etc... No? I personally feel that if we have FTP covered, we can then focus on WebDAV. The WebDAV spec requires Digest Authentication. That answers much of the problem, unless people really feel that encrypting the payload is as important as encrypting the authentication. Digest authentication has no export restriction. It is a standard with free implementations. SSH2, with its non-free license, is a big problem. WebDAV represents an extension of the Web object model in a way that Zope is uniquely positioned to exploit. Still, there is no one approach that suits everyone, just as there is no one Python GUI. Since Zope is free and open source, I'm eagerly awaiting contributions that reflect people's unique requirements. > And personally -- I usually sit at the machine where the webserver is > located, so it would be very nice to be able to edit the > document methods > directly in emacs... (I guess it would be possible to make an > emacs-lisp > program that interacted with Zope, but it seems a bit unneccesary...) Personally I think this is the *right* way to do it. I believe *strongly* in objects and I feel that editing the data directly is a violation of encapsulation. *But*, Zope is a free, open system and others can do what they want, including discarding the object database (as both Andreas and Skip have done). --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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- stx
by Magnus Lie Hetland 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

I noticed on some page on the Zope site (I don't remember which) that it included a Structured Text document with a fmt="stx" parameter to some DTML tag... AFAICS this is not a standard format... How do you do something like this? (I am very interested in having document methods written in other languages than HTML and then translated automatically...) -- Magnus Lie Hetland www.pvv.org/arcadia <arcadia(a)pvv.org>

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RE: [Zope] - Why I don't think Zope will work for me
by Dave Goodrich 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

Well I don't know if you are missing it or not. Because you can edit an item inside Netscape doesn't mean you must. Zope allows uploading of documents, I have been using BBedit or Jed to work in DTML, and uploading through netscape, You could also just paste changes into the edit window. I've been using DB storage for many years now (other than but similar to Zope)and I prefer it over a file system. For access control, session awareness, and undo abilities, a db works very nicely. It is also much easier to assign properties, behaviors and other object values to a db object, than a flat file item. An opinion :^) DAve. > -----Original Message----- > From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of > Curtis Galloway > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 2:47 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] - Why I don't think Zope will work for me > > > Zope is very cool. Zope has many useful features. But I > believe that storing > most of your useful data inside an opaque object database is > a fatal flaw. > > I learned through painful experience that having your project > data in text > files in a filesystem is a Good Thing. You can use standard > UNIX tools to > manipulate these files. You can use EMACS or vi or any other > tool to edit > them. And most importantly, you can use CVS or RCS or any > other similar tool > for source control. > > I just don't see how you can build a large project with > multiple developers > using a Netscape browser as your editing tool, unless I'm > missing something > very obvious about the way Zope works. > > --Curtis > > >

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RE: [Zope] - Why I don't think Zope will work for me
by Theodore Patrick 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

It is already available as a module for ZOPE! You can upload files locally into zope from a file system. There are some setbacks but it works. See: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/HowTo/FSImport Enjoy! It works You can also import and export zope folders as products. It is a relatively simple operation -----Original Message----- From: Magnus Lie Hetland [mailto:Magnus.Hetland@idi.ntnu.no] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 8:20 AM To: 'zope(a)zope.org' Subject: RE: [Zope] - Why I don't think Zope will work for me What about having an export/import to/from file system? That way, you *could* use the file system for editing, version control etc., except that you would import into zopes DB before publishing it to the web... -- Magnus Lie Hetland www.pvv.org/arcadia <arcadia(a)pvv.org>

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RE: [Zope] - Why I don't think Zope will work for me
by Brian Lloyd 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

> Curtis Galloway wrote: > > > > I learned through painful experience that having your > project data in text > > files in a filesystem is a Good Thing. You can use > standard UNIX tools to > > manipulate these files. You can use EMACS or vi or any > other tool to edit > > them. And most importantly, you can use CVS or RCS or any > other similar tool > > for source control. > > > > I just don't see how you can build a large project with > multiple developers > > using a Netscape browser as your editing tool, unless I'm > missing something > > very obvious about the way Zope works. > > (Jim) > We do it all the time. Of course, I'd much *rather* use emacs as > my editing tool. When Zope has FTP support, then this will > be possible. > Actually, when FTP support lands, a number of interesting > scenarios will > be possible. Note that possible future WebDAV support would also solve many of the issues you note above: o _requires_ a secure connection as part of the spec o DAV has specific support for versioning and distributed authoring by multiple users. There are some interesting future possibilities -- it's not unthinkable that you could have WebDAV-enabled Zope objects based on a real cvs repository. o At a minimum, WebDAV clients should give you a better editing environment, if not let you choose your editor yourself. Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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RE: [Zope] - ZODBCDA for Linux?
by Paul Everitt 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

Anthony wrote: > Nonetheless, if you're willing to spend the money, you can get ODBC > drivers for Linux and other Unixen. Combining these with iODBC and > mxODBC means you can get to the databases from python. Just a quick FYI...I'm working on a better strategy for covering other databases. It ain't a great joy to support m versions of n databases on q platforms. --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul(a)digicool.com 540.371.6909

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Re: [Zope] - ZODBCDA for Linux?
by Anthony Baxter 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

Christopher G. Petrilli wrote: > This has nothing to do with Linux (this is a common question for > Python in general)... it has to do with needing an ODBC driver for > the OS. As far as I know, there are only commercial drivers for UNIX > implementations. You'll notice it's only available for Win32, that's > because Win32 has the ODBC drivers if you've installed Access, etc... Nonetheless, if you're willing to spend the money, you can get ODBC drivers for Linux and other Unixen. Combining these with iODBC and mxODBC means you can get to the databases from python. (I also am awaiting either the release, or the "how to write a database adaptor" docs :) Anthony -- Anthony Baxter, NextTelecom. email:anthony@interlink.com.au, voice: +61 416 271 170

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- Product creation problem
by Christopher G. Petrilli 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

So I'm creating a product to manage all the URLs I reference external to my web site, BUT... I'm getting THIS when I use manage_addItem: Sorry, an error occurred. Traceback (innermost last): File /home/petrilli/src/Zope-1.9.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 880, in publish_module File /home/petrilli/src/Zope-1.9.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 595, in publish (Info: /manage_addItem) File /home/petrilli/src/Zope-1.9.0-src/lib/python/Products/URLTracker/URL.py, line 32, in addItem (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions) File /home/petrilli/src/Zope-1.9.0-src/lib/python/Globals.py, line 235, in __call__ (Object: manage_main) File /home/petrilli/src/Zope-1.9.0-src/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 514, in __call__ (Object: manage_main) KeyError: manage_tabs Even though NONE of my .dtml files reference manage_tabs (I eliminated them just to get it out of the way, dammit :-) There's no reference in anything to this variale that I can find... but it swears it's expanding it via DocumentTemplate... Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli | petrilli(a)amber.org

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- partial publishing of Zope .bbb
by Tim Fraser 29 Dec '98

29 Dec '98

Wondering if there would be demand for a degree of offline development of Zope sites. (in the UK all telephone calls are charged) I can see this could be problematic. With many people updating a "live" site, copying across an offline version in entirety would wipe out other updates. Would partial publishing of higher up folders be workable? (ie the manager uploads the folders that control the look and feel, not the sub-folders which contain authors content) Even if desirable, I confess I dont know HOW this would be done. Views anyone? Tim Fraser

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RE: [Zope] - Problem adding object on Win32 binary release
by Brian Lloyd 29 Dec '98

29 Dec '98

> I just downloaded the Win32 binary of the 1.9 final release, > installed it, > and finally decided that I was done playing around and > reading about this > tool, I was going to actually try and use it! > > Unfortunately Zope doesn't work with my favourite browser > (Opera), so I > have to use IE4. I see that Opera doesnt seem to like forms with an ENCTYPE specified -- is this what you are referring to? (e.g. I can add Folders with Opera, but it seems to hang waiting for a response when adding documents, images or files which have file upload fields. Interestingly, the document _does_ get created in Zope - I'll look into this). >Most of the features work, but when I > attempt to do an add > from the top level folder, IE4 reports the following error: > > "Microsoft Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site > http://localhost:9673?%3amethod=manage_adddocumentform/. > Invalid syntax" > > Any light that can be shed would be greatly appreciated. What kind of object exactly are you trying to add? I haven't been able to recreate this in my windows installation... Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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