June 1999 - Zope - Zope lists

searchable documentation?
by Alex Rice 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Does there currently exist a searchable interface for the ZDP and the zope.org/Documentation/ web files? Alex Rice | alrice(a)swcp.com | http://www.swcp.com/~alrice Current Location: N. Rio Grande Bioregion, Southwestern USA

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NEW COMMERCIAL FOR ZOPE! :-)
by Tom Deprez 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Hi all, Here is it, my new web page, designed to receive a certificate.... I must admit, I learned more when I met Zope then that whole year.... every tuesday evening and saturday morning.... So, have a look at it ! Please. I was thinking of adding a guestbook, but I think that would give me too much trouble (people telling bad things etc) + I don't like these commercial banners.... I would really appreciate if you let me know what you think of it.... this is my first 'big' site, with my first javascripts.... What can you find in the site? 1. An short explenation of a new project I'm working on. 2. A short introduction to Zope (summary of ZBook) 3. Some examples... yes....! That's about it.... Please, have a look! Thanks! http://www.master.cit.be/c8/default.html If you've problems, let me know then I try to solve them... PS. You really need Netscape 4 or above or IE 5.0 for this!!!!(IE.4 gives a problem with frames and layers :-( and that is just my biggest personal achievement, ie. the submenus...) Known problem (at least with Netscape 4.07) with XWindows : the background disappears and images become ugly! (seems Linux is working with another format of images)

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Version history
by Schmidt, Jens-Uwe 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Hi there, is there a reason, that there's a stable version 1.10.2 and an alpha release 2.0a1, but 1.11.0pr1 (which is running on my box) simply disappeared on the download pages? I can't find a bug-listing of this release, maybe my problems with user-authentication (running Zope with the ZServer or ZAPs Apache) are in there..... Bye Jens Jens-Uwe Schmidt * j.schmidt(a)first-fm.de Mail und Internet Administration FIRST-Management GmbH * Lister Straße 11 30163 Hannover * Tel 0511/9658-357 * Fax..-303

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RE: [Zope-dev] Suggestion: Full name attribute for user objects
by Alexander Staubo 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

>> It would be very cool if user objects (that is to say User.BasicUser) >> could have a "fullname"-type attribute. This would also fit >> well in with >> other authentication schemes such as Windows NT, where users >> have a full >> name in addition to a login name. [snip] > >Thanks for the entusiasm, but there's no need. The membeship system >will allow you to assign arbitrary properties to member objects. Of >course, you can hard code in Full Name if you don't want to wait. What with cases where the Portal Toolkit is overkill? The UserFolder architecture serves just fine for my purpose, it's just that one missing property. Note that I don't know how integrated the ZPT will be into Zope, so maybe "overkill" is irrelevant in this case if ZPT will be fully grafted into Zope. But if not, and if it does not replace UserFolder, and if ZPT brings along with lots of baggage, I'd rather want to extend UserFolder than switching. -- Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ "In the end, we all assume room temperature." --John Maynard Keynes

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RE: [Zope] Newbie:Navigational bar
by Alexander Staubo 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Thanks. If you need me to write a short piece around the code that explains what it does, and how, let me know. I read your navbar howto, which is well-written and usable. However, personally I think that manually putting URLs in a TinyTable and iterating that goes against the grain, or the zen if you will, of Zope itself. Say somebody adds a page, removes a page, or changes a title -- you have to go over the TinyTable manually. On some of my pages I use another scheme which revolves around marking public documents with a "public" property and enumerating those. The code looks a bit like this:     <img src="/Images/activedoc.gif" width="8" height="8"><b></b><br>  <img src="/Images/spacer.gif" width="8" height="8"><a href=""></a><br>    This lists all documents and folders on the current level that have an IsPublic property that is non-null, and also displays a "you are here"-type of bullet next to the active document's title. All other entries are given as links. No need to maintain a TinyTable, as the code will discover which documents are published. The drawback, of course, is that it only enumerates documents in its immediate parents: If you'd like to place site-wide links in this list, you could just iterate through PARENTS[-1] as well. All three schemes serve slightly different purposes, but deserve equal mention, I think. -- Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ "In the end, we all assume room temperature." --John Maynard Keynes >-----Original Message----- >From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On >Behalf Of Jules >Allen >Sent: 11. juni 1999 15:14 >To: aem(a)byu.edu >Cc: Zope List >Subject: Re: [Zope] Newbie:Navigational bar > > >Good Morning. In addition to the code you got from Alexander, there's >a draft of a tutorial at > > http://zdp.zope.org/test/jules/navbar_howto_html > >I think we need to do two versions of the navbar tutorial -- one based >on Alexander's code and one based on the TinyTable. Both clearly have >different uses but are equally important. > >Good luck! > >On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 07:05:33PM -0600, Adrian Esteban Madrid wrote: >|Anybody has any idea/tutorial/rumors on how to create a >navigational bar >|like this? >| >|Home : Community : InvestorsCorner : Introduction : Disclaimer >| >|Each item can be linked, so you can step back to Community skipping >|Introduction with one click. >| >|Any ideas would be appeciated. >| >|-aem >| >| >|_______________________________________________ >|Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org >|http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope >| >|(For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, >|zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > >_______________________________________________ >Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > >(For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, >zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] FYI: Portal Toolkit Slides and Demo available
by Martijn Pieters 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

At 21:29 10-6-99 , Paul Everitt wrote: >Hmm, I'm surprised that you'd advocate automatic reloading, as it would >(at a minimum) stat a file on each request. Do you think it should be >an optional knob to specify whether to check for changes? If so, what >should be the default? > Off, and on when in debugging mode.. Oops, the CVS version already does this =) I also like the -D flag to z2.py. Now all we need is a interactive DTML debugger through the web. >> 2) A fair amount of source code reading is still required, and >> Zope is so full of cutting-edge Python technique that it's not easy >> even for a long-time Python like me; for a new Python user, it would >> be deadly. I didn't have too much trouble with it. Went from zilch python knowledge to a fair grasp of Zope (and bothering the DC people with patches) in about two weeks. >Would better documentation help? For instance, we intend, once Zope2 >has landed, to begin the process of doing a UML model for all of Zope. >We are already doing it for all new work. This includes many of the >diagrams, including use cases. How helpful would that be? UML's will help clarifying and understanding what I find in the source. Saves some grepping and debugging steps. >Farther out, we'd like to look at moving to Jim's "interfaces" proposal >that was mostly agreed to at SPAM Houston. If we did (and then lived by >it :^), how much would that help? If all Zope developers lived by it, it would definitly help. The Ptree protocol file (now gone in the CVS, I think) helped me understand the #tree tag. >I agree that debugging DTML is maddingly hard. In fact, I think about >this probably fifty times a day. I sure hope, after Zope2 comes out, we >step back and think HARD about things like usability. See above remark on the interactive debugger. Not too hard to do, but we'll need multithreading to keep the rest of Zope moving. Oh, Zope 2 has that. > >I presume by the leading part of the question that you would feel more >comfortable doing your processing in Python than all-DTML. If Zope had >a "Python Method" object, perhaps only usable by VERY privileged users, >perhaps only in the Control Panel (say, in a Product), would that help? Only when someone with system level access has turned this on! It should be off for many hosting sites, me thinks. >Heh heh, if I had a dime for the number of alpha volunteers for the >portal toolkit :^) I'll give you a dollar? -- Martijn Pieters, Web Developer | Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl | Tel: +31-35-7502100 Fax: +31-35-7502111 | mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj | PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 ------------------------------------------

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Re: [Zope] var rendering question
by Tony McDonald 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

> After two and a half weeks of tinkering with Zope, I have decided > that I will ditch my conventional web technology for this new alien > technology. It has already rewired half my brain, so I might as well > go for a complete rewiring job. You sure you guys at DC aren't from > another planet? ;-) > As another recent immigrant, welcome to planet Zope. If you think your brain is rewired now, wait till you experience the 'lightbulb effect' of acquisition! :) > Insterad of trying to explain this in words, below is a quick snippet > of code illustrating the problem. > > FRAMESET: > > <frameset> > <frame target=title src=> > ... > </frameset> > > > TABLESET: > > <table> > <tr> > <td colspan=2> >  > </td> > </tr> > ... > </table> > I think you need to do a level of indirection to get to your goal. In the first instance (frameset) you want the contents of title_src. You get that via  (as you said). In the second instance, you want the contents of the variable whose name is given by the value of title_src (I think that you should make title_src a property BTW). something like <table> <tr> <td colspan=2>  </td> ... </tr> </table> should work - well it did on my box! :) This is from Amos' guide to Advanced DTML (don't let the title put you off though). Available at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/HowTo/DTML HTH tone.

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RE: [Zope] encoding strings for CGI
by Alexander Staubo 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Simple. To URL encode "foo", just do:  -- Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ "What the hell, he thought, you're only young once, and threw himself out of the window. That would at least keep the element of surprise on his side." --Douglas Adams, _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ >-----Original Message----- >From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of >Graham Chiu >Sent: 13. juni 1999 07:51 >To: zope(a)zope.org >Subject: [Zope] encoding strings for CGI > > >I have a query which produces a table whereby I wish to click on each >cell, and drill down further to another report. > >The relevant string is > ><td><a href=showClassReport?manu=</a></td> > >but it fails if Manufacturer has a space in it. > >Is there a DTML method of CGI encoding Manufacturer? > >------- >Regards, Graham Chiu >gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz > >_______________________________________________ >Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > >(For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, >zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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encoding strings for CGI
by Graham Chiu 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

I have a query which produces a table whereby I wish to click on each cell, and drill down further to another report. The relevant string is <td><a href=showClassReport?manu=</a></td> but it fails if Manufacturer has a space in it. Is there a DTML method of CGI encoding Manufacturer? ------- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz

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Explicitly avoiding acquisition?
by Alexander Staubo 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Is there a simple way to explicitly avoid a folder subobject to be acquired? That is to say, I'd like to find a given object in some folder, but not implicitly acquired through a parent folder. I guess I can write a External Method implementing a function that brute-force searches the list returned by objectValues() for the object, but this is potentially "slow", at least compared to a dictionary lookup. Is the latter a possibility? -- Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ "What the hell, he thought, you're only young once, and threw himself out of the window. That would at least keep the element of surprise on his side." --Douglas Adams, _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_

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