June 1999 - Zope - Zope lists

KnotMail, Portal Toolkit, WebDAV --Best Collaboration
by Robert O'Connor 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

I'm excited to see that the Zope Portal Toolkit will be here soon. http://www.zope.org/Products/PortalToolkit/Tour/ Hopefully there are plans to "Walk the walk" with the Portal Toolkit for the Zope community. By this I mean, Subscribers to this mail list (and others) should be able to "Become a Member... by visiting a Zope portal home page..." What are the best ways to collaborate? Currently we have 3 zope mail lists that are also mirrored on the web based http://www.egroups.com/list/zope/ Can the ZOPE community benefit from actually using the Portal Toolkit for our collaboration here? ***--- So far, I prefer mail lists because I can organize them into folders and search using my EMail Client. I see a benefit and occasionally use the web based egroups copy when I'm not at my primary computer. It looks like the product KnotMail, shown as part of the Portal toolkit could perform many if not all the functionality of my e-mail client but be on THE server so I can access it anywhere with any browser. *Are there specs for KnotMail? -Can mail automatically be routed to specific folders? -Can mail messages be moved, copied or flagged? -Can full text searches be performed on mail (subject & body) and limited by date? -Can I maintain a ".mailproto" file so I can BOUNCE From SpamKing(a)aol.com DISCARD From sales(a)competitor.com FORWARD To . bob(a)rocnet.com Currently I can flag messages of interest. What about multiple flags, what about viewing messages in threaded order? What about mail list messages that remain on the server that allow me to mark my personal view of messages into various categories: (Example:) 1)Total Trash -- I never want to see it again or any future messages from ___ 2) Total Trash -- I never want to see it again 2) Keep in distant archive 3) Keep - reference 3) Keep - Interesting 4) Important - Keep in current folder ***--- Some Mail could evolve into a slashdot.org type format such as Story and Comments. I really like the way that comments are moderated and promoted and demoted on a scale -1,0,1,2,3,4,5 Then, a user can set a threshold so that only the "best" messages (just 4's and 5's for example) are viewed. ***--- WebDav has been discussed but this seems to have a place when collaborating on documentation but not for general discussion. (I admit to knowing little about WebDav and would love to see a working example) ***--- By the way, I really don't like Newsgroups... mostly because of the "noise". Recently on another MailList that I subscribed to the managers wanted to go to Newsgroup from MailList format and member OVERWELMINGLY rejected the plan. Also, newsgroups are often not available inside firewalls. So what is the big picture? What do other Zopers think? -Bob OConnor bob(a)rocnet.com

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RE: [Zope] Zope 20.a: IE5 Web Folder 'unexpected error'
by Alex.Thomas＠dresdnerkb.com 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

It's direct to ZServer. By the way, how does one tell if one's proxy server is WebDAV compatible? thanks! alex -----Original Message----- From: Paul Everitt [mailto:Paul@digicool.com] Sent: 04 June 1999 17:13 To: 'Alex.Thomas(a)dresdnerkb.com'; zope(a)zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope 20.a: IE5 Web Folder 'unexpected error' Are you connecting directly or through Apache? If the latter, then there is a a small (four line) patch you have to apply. Apache won't pass one of the HTTP methods that WebDAV expects. --Paul ########################################## This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. Access by any other party is unauthorised without the express written permission of the sender. If you have received this email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender on the number printed above, via the Dresdner Kleinwort Benson switchboard on +44 171 623 8000 or via e-mail return. Internet communications are not secure unless protected using strong cryptography. This email has been prepared using information believed by the author to be reliable and accurate, but Dresdner Kleinwort Benson makes no warranty as to accuracy or completeness. In particular Dresdner Kleinwort Benson does not accept responsibility for changes made to this email after it was sent. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Bank or its affiliates. They may be subject to change without notice. ##########################################

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RE: [Zope] Running ZopeHTTPServer and PCGI together = a bad thing ?
by Paul Everitt 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

Chris wrote: > relatively trivial. Having said that, we'd love to have someone who > knows enough about Apache's module interface, to write one of > these for > the community... Well said, Chris! Folks, here's a great opportunity for someone to step up and make a big-time difference in Zope land. For those of you that can write C, doing an Apache module shouldn't be more than an exercise in diligence. The Apache module API is pretty well documented and there are a good number of examples. The PCGI part of the equation is so very, very small that, were someone to get comfortable with the Apache API, this project would be straightforward to say the least. On the other hand, it's positive impact would be gargantuan. A huge amount of Zope frustration comes from things that deal with Apache integration, *particularly* process activation. I view the usability win to be at least as high as the performance win. I hate to beg, but...PLEEEEEEAAASE! --Paul

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RE: [Zope] Zope 20.a: IE5 Web Folder 'unexpected error'
by Paul Everitt 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

Are you connecting directly or through Apache? If the latter, then there is a a small (four line) patch you have to apply. Apache won't pass one of the HTTP methods that WebDAV expects. --Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex.Thomas(a)dresdnerkb.com [mailto:Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com] > Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 10:53 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Zope 20.a: IE5 Web Folder 'unexpected error' > > > Having tried some other people's IE5 installations, it now > looks like Zope > is doing something that IE5 doesn't like, so that opening a > web folder just > switches the toolbar to folder mode and pops up the 'unexpected error' > dialog. Anyone experienced this, or know how to get IE to log > a marginally > more useful message? > > cheers > alex > > --- > cut here > ########################################## > This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended > solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or > confidential. Access by any other party is unauthorised without the > express written permission of the sender. If you have received this > email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or > information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender on > the number printed above, via the Dresdner Kleinwort Benson > switchboard on +44 171 623 8000 or via e-mail return. Internet > communications are not secure unless protected using strong > cryptography. This email has been prepared using information believed > by the author to be reliable and accurate, but Dresdner Kleinwort > Benson makes no warranty as to accuracy or completeness. In particular > Dresdner Kleinwort Benson does not accept responsibility for changes > made to this email after it was sent. Any opinions expressed in this > document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > opinions of the Bank or its affiliates. They may be subject to change > without notice. > ########################################## > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, > zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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Zope 20.a: IE5 Web Folder 'unexpected error'
by Alex.Thomas＠dresdnerkb.com 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

Having tried some other people's IE5 installations, it now looks like Zope is doing something that IE5 doesn't like, so that opening a web folder just switches the toolbar to folder mode and pops up the 'unexpected error' dialog. Anyone experienced this, or know how to get IE to log a marginally more useful message? cheers alex --- cut here ########################################## This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. Access by any other party is unauthorised without the express written permission of the sender. If you have received this email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender on the number printed above, via the Dresdner Kleinwort Benson switchboard on +44 171 623 8000 or via e-mail return. Internet communications are not secure unless protected using strong cryptography. This email has been prepared using information believed by the author to be reliable and accurate, but Dresdner Kleinwort Benson makes no warranty as to accuracy or completeness. In particular Dresdner Kleinwort Benson does not accept responsibility for changes made to this email after it was sent. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Bank or its affiliates. They may be subject to change without notice. ##########################################

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The 'Zope Zen' of multiple browser windows and _manage
by Tony McDonald 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

Hi, This is an observation really. I find that if I have two browser windows open that are both in the 'manage' window that I can get 'unusual' results - pages that I've edited in one browser window don't show up in the other one, as well as a vague feeling of uneasiness. What I'm trying to get into the habit of doing is to run Internet Explorer (not a bad beast on the Mac...) in *a, ie single* 'manage' window and run Netscape Communicator (as an 'anonymous' user). I *believe* it's got to do with cookies and tree's and the like, but that's more from 'acquired' (ho ho) knowledge and not from an in depth examination of the code. Of course, YMMV , but hopefully this will help others out... tone. ------ Dr Tony McDonald, FMCC, Networked Learning Environments Project The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 222 5888 Fingerprint: 3450 876D FA41 B926 D3DD F8C3 F2D0 C3B9 8B38 18A2

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RE: [Zope] Running ZopeHTTPServer and PCGI together = a bad thing ?
by Chris Petrilli 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

> It's definitely on the list. It has been agreed that > launching processes should not be a *requirement* of pcgi, > especially for mod_pcgi. At some point in the "future" (under 6 months? :-) there's a little widget called ZDaemon that will see the light of day. It deals generically with the issues involved in managing LRP like this, including reforking as necessary and identifying checkpoints so that broken software doesn't restart constantly... this will take over process management from the current pcgi interface, which will make the remaining piece (that would plug into Apache, NSAPI, ISAPI, etc) relatively trivial. Having said that, we'd love to have someone who knows enough about Apache's module interface, to write one of these for the community... Chris

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RE: [Zope] cookies
by Chris Petrilli 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

> I understand the need to factor out, but even if you move it to a DTML > method, then that implies that you are no longer doing markup tags but > programming, and it seems to me messy that you have to still > have to use > a tag per line. But I guess it keeps it consistent. Well, I've tossed around the concept of a "Script" object, that would be a tidbit of Python code that would actually be stored in the database. This however hasn't been written yet... honestly, DTML was never engineered for much of what it is currently being used for, but unfortunately the alternatives are more painful (with the exception of ZClasses, but it's not ready for use by most people). Chris

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FYI: Portal Toolkit Slides and Demo available
by Amos Latteier 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

For those of you who didn't get a chance to see a demo of the Portal Toolkit at Linux Expo, we've put it on-line on the Zope site: http://www.zope.org/Products/PortalToolkit/Tour/ These slides explain what the Portal Toolkit is, and show it in action though the magic of animated GIFs! Just to reiterate, the Portal Toolkit is not yet available, it should be out in beta this month. -Amos P.S. We're thinking of creating more animated GIF demos of Zope. Do you think this is a good idea? If so, what sort of demos would you like to see? Let me know. -- Amos Latteier mailto:amos@digicool.com Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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Date
by SERVEL Yannick 04 Jun '99

04 Jun '99

Hi everybody! I have to create a mail sender program (via SMTP protocol) and I don't know how to fulfil the Date field. Which module must I use in order to retrieve the date in the correct format.

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