September 1999 - Zope

ANN: SiteAccess 0.0.1 and PythonMethod 0.1.2 Released
by Evan Simpson 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

SiteAccess, which is a start on Virtual Hosting support (and much more) and a minor version upgrade of PythonMethod are ready. See http://www.zope.org/Members/4am/SiteAccess and http://www.zope.org/Members/4am/PythonMethod for details. The Python Method page now has a changelog, and you should really read it before upgrading, especially if you applied the unsafety patch to PM 0.1.1

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FW: [Zope] and remote databases in other [zopes]
by Loren Stafford 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

-----Original Message----- From: Loren Stafford [mailto:lstafford@icompression.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 10:32 To: codelarvs(a)ciudad.com.ar Subject: RE: [Zope] and remote databases in other [zopes] Oh-oh. I feel another How-To coming on... I did something just like this last week with the help of other list members. It goes like this: 1. You want to use ZClient, which is located in your Zope directory at ../lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py. Read the comments to get an idea of how it works. Basically, it acts as a web browser. 2. Because, ZClient is an external Python program, you have to create an external method to drive it from within DTML. Use the How-To: Using External Methods at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/How-To/ExternalMethods to help you add an external Python method similar to this: from ZPublisher import Client def web_client(url = 'http://www.yahoo.com/', username = None, password = None, **kw): '''access http servers''' if kw: return Client.call(url,username,password,kw)[1] else: return Client.call(url,username,password)[1] My version of this Python code resides at ../Extensions/WebClient.py and the external method name is also WebClient. 3. Create one or more DTML methods that call this external method with the correct parameters to access your NT server. Here's a simple example that doesn't require any more parameters than the URL of an SQL method on the database server:  <h2></h2> <dtml-var "webClient('http://nt-server:8080/Marketing/AllCustHave')">  That's all! -- Loren > -----Original Message----- > From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of > codelarvs(a)ciudad.com.ar > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 19:05 > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] and remote databases in other [zopes] > > > Hello! I have the folowing problem: > I'm using Zope on a SUN Sparc machine running Solaris.. > The site works nice, but I need to access the data, that is > placed on a Microsoft SQL Server on a Windows NT and i cant change > that :\ > I've read in the Docs when i was installing that is possible > to have a zope in each machine.. and use the one in the > NT like an iterface. For example: Lets say.. If I define a Dtml method > that gets the data from the SQL in the zope in Windows NT.. > Can I call that method from the Zope in the SUN to retrieve the > data from > the Microsoft SQL?. If there's a way to do this (with > 2 zopes or another way).. could someone please explain me > how to do it? > > Thanks! > Nahuel Greco. > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (To receive general Zope announcements, see: > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > For developer-specific issues, zope-dev(a)zope.org - > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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Simple "What You See Is What You Edit" feature
by Chris Fassnacht 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

I know this kind of thing is probably old hat to ZoPros, but as a new user I found it wonderfully simple and powerful, and I just wanted to share my growing appreciation of Zope with others. I'm designing a Zope-base website in which I and a few others handle the structure and administration, but the authoring of the content is spread across a number of other users. One thing I've been trying to do is to make access to Zope's web-based management interface as simple as possible for those who'll be adding content. Today I had one of those minor epiphanies when I realized I could put access to the management screen for any given particular page on the page itself. So I just dropped the following three lines into my standard_html_footer object: <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_role(['Author', 'Manager'])"> <a href="manage">Edit</a> </dtml-if> and, voila!, I've got a link that shows up at the bottom of every page, but only for appropriately authorized users (as defined by their Roles), that takes them directly to the management screen for that page to do instant editing. It only took a minute, but it goes a long ways toward easing the barrier between the web-page-as-seen and the web-page-as-editable-document for many users. Too cool. Chris Fassnacht

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RE: [Zope] Collector type product
by Ken Manheimer 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

We've got something in the works - much more configurable, installable than tracker, zcatalog based, various nifty things, but release has been delayed for various reasons. Something should be available in not too long - but i can't say what that amounts to. (It's being developed primarily to deal with our own internal needs, with an eye towards community use and sales as a product, and packaging/separating out all the considerations will take some time, in itself...) Ken Manheimer klm(a)digicool.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Spisak [mailto:jason@mtear.com] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 3:51 AM > To: Olivier Deckmyn > Cc: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] Collector type product > > > Nope, not yet > > Olivier Deckmyn writes: > > > Did you get any answer ? > > > > thx ! > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > > De : Jason Spisak <webmaster(a)hiretechs.com> > > À : <zope(a)zope.org> > > Envoyé : mercredi 22 septembre 1999 22:48 > > Objet : [Zope] Collector type product > > > > > > > Before I think too long about creating this myself, is there a Collector > > > type product out there already so that I can keep track of bugs/jobs > > > related to my Zope application? > > > > > > All my best, > > > > > > -- > > > Jason Spisak > > > webmaster(a)hiretechs.com

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RE: [Zope] Where is the new ZClass tutorial?
by Pam Crosby 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

The ZClass tutorial is now the first chapter of the Zope Developer's Guide. It is still available at http://www.zope.org:8080/Documentation/Reference/ZClasses -- Pamela Crosby Technical Writer mailto:pam@digicool.com Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 9:52 AM > To: 'Albert Kinderman'; zope(a)zope.org > Subject: RE: [Zope] Where is the new ZClass tutorial? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Albert Kinderman [mailto:albert.kinderman@csun.edu] > > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 7:04 PM > > To: zope(a)zope.org > > Subject: [Zope] Where is the new ZClass tutorial? > > > > > > First let me apologize for writing to the list without changing the > > subject of an earlier reply to a posting in the digest. > > > > I have noticed recently that questions about ZClasses tend to go > > unanswered. People who enquire about the documentation of > > ZClasses are > > pointed to the out-of-date ZClass tutorial on the old server. > > Amos had > > previously announced that he had submitted an updated > ZClass tutorial > > for approval, but the recent announcement of updated > documentation did > > not include a reference to the ZClass tutorial. I have not > > noticed any > > recent postings by Amos, so I would like to ask DC publically > > about the > > status of the new ZClass tutorial. > > We apologize. At 200 messages a day, the zope list can be, uhm, > difficult to deal with. > > I do not know the status of the ZClass tutorial, but I do know that it > is slated for improvement. What form or how long that > improvement will > take, I do not know. > > -Michel > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > (To receive general Zope announcements, see: > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > For developer-specific issues, zope-dev(a)zope.org - > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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RE: [Zope] Mailman web pages unreachable
by Ken Manheimer 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

For those who missed mailman web access in its absence, it's back... Ken klm(a)digicool.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Manheimer [mailto:klm@digicool.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:10 PM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] Mailman web pages unreachable > > > Due to some growing pains we're having to shift things around on > zope.org. One temporary victim are the mailman community mailing-list > web interface pages - they're currently unaccessible. We hope to have > them back back later today, but in the meanwhile you'll have to wait > to adjust your subscriptions - or you could try the email service, eg > for the zope list, send a message to zope-request(a)zope.org with the > word "help" (sans quotes) as the subject. > > Sorry about the disruption!

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RE: [Zope] VERSION 1.00a - DTML CHEAT SHEET & EXAMPLE FOLDER
by Theodore Patrick 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

THE HTML VERSION HAS BEEN POSTED TO THE ZOPE.ORG SITE FEEL FREE TO GET A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT AND ADD YOUR CHANGES. http://www.zope.org/Members/indigoted/version_1_000a1 THIS PROCESS WILL BE DONE DYNAMICALLY ON ZOPE.ORG SOON!!! THANKS, TED ;)

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Re: [Zope] login to zope.org
by Mike Pelletier 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Joachim Schmitz wrote: > hi, > > when I login to Zope.org I get: [ a big hairy error message ] Yuck. This means a tip has moved or been deleted, but didn't tell the Catalog. Since Tips are mine, this is my fault. Note, though, that you should have still been successfully logged in, you just didn't get a pretty tip when you did it. Sorry! This bug's hours are numbered. Mike. -- Mike Pelletier email: mike(a)digicool.com Mild mannered software developer icq: 7127228 by day, super villain by night. phone: 519-884-2434

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Re: permission denied, even as superuser
by Andy Pahne 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

I tried and tried: and it works for the superuser. I created another user, gave him all the permissions, really all permisssions that I could find, but manage_changeProperties does not work for that user. There is no permission left to grant....???? andy

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Barriers and wysiwyg
by Rik Hoekstra 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

-----Original Message----- From: Rik Hoekstra [mailto:fghoekstra@cit10.wsd.leidenuniv.nl] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 11:55 AM To: Jay, Dylan Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] Barriers and wysiwyg [Martijn Pieters:] > > Zope was designed for Web Application Developers, not designers. The > > documentation follows this design. I actually feel that > > dummies should stay > > away from Zope. Frontpage is for dummies. > [Jay Dylan] > I disagree. I believe the ideal place Zope could end up is as being > something that was as simple to use as frontpage and as powerful > as ... well as it already is. I'm not saying that the "simpler" users should > be able to as powerfull things as "programmer" type users can but it should not be > unaccessable to them. They should be able to edit and add basic > documents. Michael Bernstein added in another post that as a designer he needs to work visually, which is a good point. And he adds another crucial remark : in web building we wear many hats at the same time. And most application servers lump all these roles together, while Zope separates them. Many have remarked that this is the problem of communication between Zope and editors: they were made with a different mindset. Uing Dreamweaver or Frontpage (light) or whatever it is quite possible to add plain html pages and design them anyway you want. You can even manage them through the web.* Or to once more cite Jon Udell on byte.com : "It is completely feasible for a novice to download Zope, install it, and build a simple site -- even one that leverages the object hierarchy to factor out repetitive pieces -- without writing any code. And the result is 100% Web-manageable." The point is of course, that you usually do not want this. You want people who do pure and simple content management to add content, not to change layout. Much less to go programming DTML. This is what makes editing a ZOpe site difficult: once you defined behaviour (dtml methods/products) and layout, you want content managers to add content. The problem is that people want to see what they get. I think Paul's Mozilla approach is very promising in this respect. It may even turn out to be an incredible site management tool. But this will require a _lot_ of work. On the other hand I question once more whether the textarea is such a bad idea. It is especially useful if you want to have content managers also manage parts of a site, without them controlling the user interface. By contolling a site I mean adding and editing content and users, and folders and news and all sorts of other things that are not possible to add from a wysiwyg editor, which is after all just an editor... In this case (and I believe it is quite common, if only for all sorts of intranet like activities) even if you could use a wysiwyg editor, site management for dummies would still be a fragmented (and bewildering) experience. I find it most remarkable that the packages I know of (mostly web learning environments - but they are good examples: blackboard, webCT, TeleTOP etc, etc) that are meant for this type of site building and maintenance do exactly this: they keep everything browser based. I looked into the documentation of Oracle WebDB today and it is exactly what they do (including the textarea) and what they bring forward as a strong point of their product. Just one citation from their brochure: > Oracle WebDB is HTML-based. All that's needed on the client side to build and run WebDB applications and web > sites is a web browser such as Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer. WebDB users benefit from > quick installation, distributed deployment, and a familiar interface.[...] > All WebDB site maintenance tools are included within the site itself. There's no need to leave the site or > learn how to use another product. To add content, authorized users simply navigate to where they want to add > it, switch to Edit Mode, and use the simple interface provided." The only thing is, to repeat myself, that currently there is no such standard tool for Zope. I'm afraid some of the DC folks took this as a criticism - it was not meant like that. I do not even like wysiwyg for the most part (except for designing in which case they are indispensible). I think the Zope interfaces (from http to xml-rpc) are excellent and abundant. They are just not for dummies. What we need is a dummy web interface builder toolkit. Rik * Someone (I forgot who, but if necessary I can retrieve the URL) hacked up a perl clone of the Frontpage extensions so if necessary this should be doable for Zope as well I think. The question is just who would want that - Frontpage is terrible.

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