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Re: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
by Jerome Alet 25 May '01

25 May '01

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:02:49PM -0500, Steve Drees wrote: > Perhaps you could modify your dump command to get the meta type > Write it out in a <dtml-comment></dtml-comment> > And then dump the results of document_src() > This wouldn't require a change to Zope. > Just to ZShell Of course I could do that in approximately 5 minutes. However the dump or even ZShell is not the problem, this was just a bad example. Say I edit some DTML Method from scratch with emacs (or any other tool which don't know anything about Zope), now I want to put it into the ZODB, but not using the zope's management interface, for example using ZShell's wget command or another yet to be released tool (or maybe FTP I don't know) Then during the upload, Zope can't decide automatically what the object meta type will be, and will make a guess which is bad in 50% of the cases: either it's a DTML Method, or it's a DTML Document, and both will be detected with a text/html mime type. talking about information redundancy, please explain why a Python Script contains it's meta type in a comment at its top ! It has no meaning to Zope, because you can't upload and use other types of Python source inside Zope (you don't upload products or external methods), and it has no meaning to Python or any text editor out there. That's why I think my suggestion is just as bad as this Python Script comment: Why don't you do it in DTML objects too ? (to push it further: uploading a structured text document, the mime type will be recognized as text/plain anyway, and the meta type will be File, I mean when not using the ZMI) > Then you could modify wget to make use of this comment when importing. Again, it's a five minutes job to modify ZShell to do that, but I wanted a more general solution in order for everybody to be able to use it with non Zope-aware software. Hoping this clarifies what i want. bye, Jerome Alet

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Re: Help with Xron
by Loren Stafford 25 May '01

25 May '01

Please copy the zope mailing list on your questions so others can benefit from the exchange. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Paulicka" <christopher_paulicka(a)hp.com> > I downloaded this nice utility, and made a script that sends e-mail > notifications for a Wiki web. Whenever I select View or Trigger on the > object, it sends off the notification as I expect. > > But I have it scheduled for daily sending at 23:00 hours, and it never > sends! > > I looked for what I could, and the only thing I saw wierd was the fact that > the STUPID_LOG_FILE path was set to a non-existent path on my machine. I > have since changed it. Could that make a difference? Xron works even without a STUPID_LOG, so I doubt that that's a problem. But you should always keep a log file, so you can check what Xron is doing while you're sleeping. > Also, any ideas what else I could do to get my notification to send on > schedule? Look inside the Schedule catalog. It's index_html method lists the entries in the schedule. Is yours there? If not, go and edit the method. You don't have to change it, if it's all set correctly, just pretend you made a change and click the Update button (or whatever it's called). That action will reschedule the method. Then look in the Schedule again to be sure it's there. Once you got STUPID_LOG working, what shows in the log? If the Dispatcher tried to fire your method, there will be an entry in the log. Any errors will also be noted. To send email, your Xron Scheduled Method needs permission to use Mailhost. An Xron Scheduled Method by default has the permissions of "Anonymous User". You may have to give the method a proxy role that has permissions to use Mailhost. -- HTH -- Loren

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finding out if a specific user / group has a specific permission
by tav 25 May '01

25 May '01

scenario: i am logged in as 'tav' and would like to know if 'Anonymous User' has permission to view the current object... i can find out if the current user has a specific permission: <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('xt_object view',this())"> but, this does, in no way tell me if an Anonymous User can... i would appreciate some guidance. thanks -- best regards, tav tav(a)espnow.com

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[Q] ZServer unhandled connect event?
by arbago 25 May '01

25 May '01

01-05-25 ¿ÀÈÄ 12:16:19 I got an error message after I made a trial connection to zope in the local net. Then there came an error message like this. 2001-05-25T02:52:11 PROBLEM(100) ZServer unhandled connect event. I am using zope-2-3-2 under AMD486 and debian potato. Joo-Yung

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[Q] manager account
by YOON, Joo-Yung 25 May '01

25 May '01

I installed Zope, and logged in as admin with the password given at the installation time. And made a manager account, and restarted the browser, and zope, too. But I can not log in with the new manager account. Is there any body that can give me any idea? Joo-Yung

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[FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
by Jerome Alet 25 May '01

25 May '01

Hi, I think that putting an HTML comment at the top of DTML Methods and DTML Documents just like the one at the top of Python Scripts would be VERY useful. (at the bottom it would be useful too, I really don't care) This comment would just give the object meta-type and the preferred object id. This would allow for ZShell, and possibly other products or external software, to dump (ZShell's dump command) and restore objects (ZShell's wget command) transparently: Say I dump a DTML Method, it's saved as pure DTML source, because I just write the document_src() output to an external file. Now I reload it into the ZODB using the wget command, which in fact uses the mime type to determine what object type to create: There's a problem because it's impossible to differentiate a DTML Method from a DTML Document, because both are detected with the same mime type: text/html So I think such a comment would help when importing objects into the ZODB in unusual ways (not from the ZMI). I've not yet tried using webdav or ftp with Zope, but I suppose this would help there too. Any comments ? If you don't agree, please could you explain why ? Thanks in advance. Jerome Alet

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RE: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
by Dunigan, Craig 25 May '01

25 May '01

I realize that Zope doesn't save the tree state, but that the browser does, sorry I wasn't clearer. The problem is that we have many pages generating what appears to the user to be the same tree, which of course it isn't. I'm using Yihaw, which gives me a 'Yihaw Folder' class that has an index_html containing this code (I root the tree at BASE3 because that's where all the Yihaw folders start living): <dtml-tree expr="REQUEST.resolve_url(BASE3)" branches_expr="objectValues('Yihaw Folder')" nowrap="1" sort="title"> <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"> <img src="/Images/FolderIcon.gif" border="0"> <b><dtml-var title_or_id></b> </a> </dtml-tree> A user hits /folder1, generates a tree, modifies the tree state and gets a cookie. Then he hits one of the links above, goes to /folder1/folder2, generates a new tree, but with the state saved in the cookie. If he modifies the tree state yet again, does he get a new cookie, obliterating the previous tree state, or does the same cookie get modified, saying "for page /folder1/index_html the tree state is 'x', for page /folder1/folder2/index_html the tree state is 'y'?" My users seem to expect that they can return to a page and have whatever tree state they "saved" on that page reappear, and reading what you just wrote, I don't think that's true, is it? Obviously, it isn't happening, but it _appears_ (key concept!) that it is happening at some times and not others, and I'm trying to find out if it _can't_ happen, or if I did something wrong. Craig Dunigan Web Programmer Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com Ph. 608.273.6000 Fax 608.273.8227 http://www.esker.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:28 PM > To: Dunigan, Craig > Cc: 'zope(a)zope.org' > Subject: Re: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions > > > On Thu, 24 May 2001, Dunigan, Craig wrote: > > > At exactly what point does Zope send a cookie for the tree > tag? It seems > > that it does so when the user expands or contracts the > tree, but am I right > > about that? > > Yes anytime the visual state of the tree changes, it sends a new > value for the 'tree-s' cookie. > > > And does Zope save tree state for each and every page visited, > > if they all have a tree? > > No, the *browser* saves the tree state. That's what the > cookie is for. > > > In multiple cookies, or just one big cookie it > > keeps modifying? > > There is just one cookie named 'tree-s', and it can only hold the > state for one tree. This is why you cannot have two trees in the same > document. > > > Is there perhaps a limit somewhere to how many tree states > > Zope can save for a single session? > > Once again, Zope doesn't save the state, that's what the > cookie is for. > > > Obviously, I'm having trouble with the tree tag behavior, > but I might figure > > it out on my own if I can get some of these answers. Thanks. > > What's the trouble? You haven't described your problem. > > -Michel >

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RE: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
by Sin Hang Kin 24 May '01

24 May '01

One observation is that web based editing is not user-friend. "Time-out" will be very inconvient to users. WEBDAV might provide a better solution. It will be convient to have a MS-WORD object which can expose section, page, paragraph, etc as its sub-object. It does not solve the problem of versioning and edit conflict yet. Pulling cvs into the scene is very suitable, but you have the train the users to work with it. In a lower service level, you may consider looking documents and record the current owner. When a protected document is requested by another user, his request will be refused and he can check the system to see who is working on it. You may also put a unlock machenism periodically say for a lock can only hold for one week and the system will unlock the document and sent the lock owner a email about it. Rgs. Kent Sin

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Why no properties, just views for objects on win32 Zope 2.3.2?
by Corin Royal Drummond 24 May '01

24 May '01

Comrades, I've just installed win32 Zope 2.3.2 as a service on NT 2000 Pro(and I also manually started it on Win 98). Problem is when I click on an object like "standard_html_header" in the management interface, I just get the view of the object, not it's properties. No tabs, no opportunity to manipulate the object, just the rendered page as though I'd clicked on the view tab. Everything works normally on my linux box, so what's up with Win32 Zope? Any ideas? Thanks in advance Zopians. Corin |-Corin Royal Drummond |-Operations Director |-SDO.NET Web Development Studio

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Re: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
by Mark Langkau 24 May '01

24 May '01

Thanks Loren - I installed both of them yesterday, which is what started me down this path. I *really* like DocumentLibrary. I didn't see anything in either product for actually editing the document from within the library though. (It's quite possible that I missed it - I'm just beginning to work with them) We will be using DocumentLibrary to archive past RFP's. Thank you Kaivo for some great tools! What I think I'm looking for really feels like a Zope app. I'm probably just not aware of the full capabilities of tools like cmf, ZWiki, DocumentLibrary/MSWordMunger, XML, etc. I'm sure it's in there somewhere ;-) Am I on the right path thinking that ZWiki will be the way to edit this text online (without using the Zope Management Interface?) We're trying to avoid the "download - edit - upload" process. I'll check the conversion output from MSWordMunger and let you know about your <h#> observation. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Cheers, Mark Loren Stafford wrote: > Did you see these recently announced products: > > http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary > > http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/MSWordMunger > > Another observation: Unless the client's Word files use Heading styles, most Word to HTML converters won't produce HTML with <hn> tags (where n is a digit). But maybe you have a smarter converter. > > -- Loren > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Mark > > Langkau > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:32 > > To: zope(a)zope.org > > Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Forgive me if this isn't the correct list for this question. I need some > > design help - and suggestions of tools to use would be great. I'll take > > further discussions of "design" issues off line, and stick to specific > > Zope/tool questions here. > > > > Quick Summary: > > > > I need to take an incoming MS-Word file and break it up into sections, > > and post them on our Zope intranet for various employees to edit and > > contribute to. When completed, the sections need to be rolled back up > > into a single file that can be converted back to MS-Word. Users will not > > have access to the Zope Management Interface.

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