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Re: Zope Digest, Vol 19, Issue 24
by <-bhavana -> 19 Dec '05

19 Dec '05

hi all, i have my ontology in mysql. i connect mysql with zope and plone. and i made search interface also in Plone. Now i want to search my documents and display results according to the ontology. Can anyone suggest how to move forward for this? thankx in advance, bh On 12/19/05, zope-request(a)zope.org <zope-request(a)zope.org> wrote: > > Send Zope mailing list submissions to > zope(a)zope.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > zope-request(a)zope.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > zope-owner(a)zope.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Zope digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Zope Persistence (was: XML-RPC within ZOPE) (Lennart Regebro) > 2. Re: Zope Persistence (was: XML-RPC within ZOPE) (Lennart Regebro) > 3. zyncer 0.7.0? (David H) > 4. Re: zyncer 0.7.0? (David H) > 5. RE: zopectl or runzope just won't start zope (Russell Winter) > 6. Re: Zope Persistence (was: XML-RPC within ZOPE) (Jan-Ole Esleben) > 7. Re: zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files > missing from bin (Sascha Ottolski) > 8. Re: Zope Persistence (was: XML-RPC within ZOPE) (Lennart Regebro) > 9. Re: Zope Persistence (was: XML-RPC within ZOPE) (Jan-Ole Esleben) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:30:39 +0100 > From: Lennart Regebro <regebro(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Persistence (was: XML-RPC within ZOPE) > To: Jan-Ole Esleben <esleben(a)gmail.com> > Cc: zope user list <zope(a)zope.org> > Message-ID: > <319e029f0512171630s3921efdaseb54be4c12281480(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 12/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben <esleben(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > To simplify, in ZOPE, for any given product, during a > > transaction the product is effectively locked. > > This statement is incorrect. > > > So if I have, say, a > > list field that contains some data and a dictionary field that > > contains some other data, and the "internal" call changes the dict > > while the original call changes the list, that breaks the transaction, > > while in usual situation in a database, nothing would break. > > If you use all non-persistent aware dicts and lists, yes. Using only > dicts and lists is suboptimal in most OO-languages, and that goes for > Python too. It is correct that with Zope, the negative impact of that > type of pre'ogramming-style is increased. This is however simply > solved by not doing that type of suboptimization, and instead using > persistant-aware objects. > > > No. It does happen, and it _did_ happen in my original problem. Zope > > doesn't even care if anything actually changes, it just considers an > > object changed that set self._p_changed=1. > > No, se above. > > > > You just said "different sets of data". That reasonably must mean > > > different objects, unless you envision having huge objects with only > > > marginally connected sets of data all stored as attributes. And then > > > you have other problems. :-) > > > > No. An object usually binds together different sets of data (as in the > > above example - it has several fields, and that is true for almost any > > given object). > > Yes. You said "different sets of data". That reasonably means > different objects. If it doesn't, yuo need to take a long hard look at > your object hierarchy. > > > What you are saying is "don't program the ZOPE way", > > No, in fact, I'm saying "program the Zope way", and I am beginning to > suspect that the problem is that you are not. > > > and it would eventually lead to the conclusion that your product > > classes should not have any persistent data, which is the conclusion I > > have come to. > > Then you didn't read what I said. > > > > > That's my whole point. I think it is a very > > > > significant point nonetheless, because this is just an extreme case > of > > > > what happens when you couple data and programs, and persistent > classes > > > > are just that: application data inside program code. > > > > Eh, no they aren't. > > > > Please don't just claim stuff. > > You do. > > > ZOPE has persistent classes. Persistent > > classes store data that in ordinary programs would not survive as > > long. > > Not unless you tell them to. If you don't want the data stored, then > do not set it as an attribute on a persistent object. > > > In ordinary systems, you would have to find a way to store the > > data and retrieve it, thus having a model that isn't implicit and > > entangled with your code. > > What is implicit with it? > > > Of course, you could do the same in ZOPE, > > but I addressed that above, and you could mess up ordinary code, but I > > think we're agreed that it is not something you should aim for (and I > > think I have made it clear why I do not believe it's as easy to mess > > up generic Python code in this way) > > Well, sorry, it's not clear for me. > > > To summarize: > > If you have two different processes changing the same set of data, you > will get confllict errors. You claim that you will not, but this is > false. > > You claim that you can't control what a persistent class store. That is > false. > > You claim that the whole Zope product gets locked, that is false. It's > on a object-basis, not a product basis. > > You claim that things get locked that shouldn't be locked in Zope. It > is not clear to me why you say that. > > -- > Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ > CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:35:46 +0100 > From: Lennart Regebro <regebro(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Persistence (was: XML-RPC within ZOPE) > To: Jan-Ole Esleben <esleben(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Tino Wildenhain <tino(a)wildenhain.de>, zope user list > <zope(a)zope.org> > Message-ID: > <319e029f0512171635n1bc72607ie198b44fbd8128e8(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 12/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben <esleben(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > You should be able to > > design stuff incrementally with a little experimentation along the way > > without constantly impending danger of it all crashing down on you. > > I don't undertand why you say that this isn't possible in Zope. > > > That's how Python works, and RoR etc. In ZOPE, we're back to the > > temptation to "just stuff a bunch of data into my object". And it's > > not even obvious that this is a problem, because everything is so > > tightly interdependent. It's exactly what Python usually avoids > > ("explicit is better than implicit"). > > I agree that there is too much implicitness in Zope 2. I don't agree > that persistance is a part of that. It isn't implicit at all. Maybe > it's not easy to understand, but it isn't particularily implicit, and > neither is it uncontrollable, as you seem to say. > > -- > Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ > CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:13:18 -0800 > From: David H <bluepaul(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: [Zope] zyncer 0.7.0? > To: zope user list <zope(a)zope.org> > Message-ID: <43A4C5BE.60402(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi List, > > I downloaded zsyncer-0.7.0 and am having problems. Its not working > for me and it no longer displays prompts for destination password and > user name when clicking its <edit> tab. Anyone else seeing this? > > More importantly, as a fall-back is there a version (0.6.1?) others > recommend? > > All best, > David > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:58:01 -0800 > From: David H <bluepaul(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [Zope] zyncer 0.7.0? > To: Alan Milligan <alan(a)balclutha.org> > Cc: zope user list <zope(a)zope.org> > Message-ID: <43A4DE49.6090301(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Alan Milligan wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >David H wrote: > > > > > >>Hi List, > >> > >>I downloaded zsyncer-0.7.0 and am having problems. Its not working > >>for me and it no longer displays prompts for destination password and > >>user name when clicking its <edit> tab. Anyone else seeing this? > >> > >> > >> > >You need to use extended url auth syntax: > >http://username:password@your.domain.com/bla ... > > > >This is because we can have multiple targets all with different > >passwords ... > > > >Alan > > > > > > > Alan, > > Thanks for your response. Apparently my <zope-instance>bin/zopectl stop > / restart sequence was not working on my remote (zettai) instance. > I had to do a shutdown from the control panel and *then* a bin/zopectl > start worked just fine - and zyncer came up as it should. The install of > zsyncer 0.7.0 on my *localr* system was fine - hence the disconnect in > what I was seeing ... > > David >

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zyncer 0.7.0?
by David H 19 Dec '05

19 Dec '05

Hi List, I downloaded zsyncer-0.7.0 and am having problems. Its not working for me and it no longer displays prompts for destination password and user name when clicking its <edit> tab. Anyone else seeing this? More importantly, as a fall-back is there a version (0.6.1?) others recommend? All best, David

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Zope Foundation IRC Reminder (Tue, Dec 20, 1p US/EST)
by Rob Page 19 Dec '05

19 Dec '05

Hello everyone: I wanted to send a reminder about the upcoming IRC to discuss the formation of the Zope Foundation. This upcoming IRC session is the second of two community IRCs to collect impressions and opinions before we turn the remaining formation tasks over to the Software Freedom Law Center. Hope to see you there! Who: Zope Community What: IRC to discuss Zope Foundation formation documents. Where: #zope on irc.freenode.net When: Tue, Dec 20, 100p - 230p (US/EST) US/EST is GMT-5. NOTE: This time reflects a *change* from the originally scheduled time -- please make sure you've updated your calendars. Regards, Rob -- Rob Page V: 540 361 1710 Zope Corporation F: 703 995 0412

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zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
by Jeff Kowalczyk 18 Dec '05

18 Dec '05

I'm having some trouble with the 'make install' stage of Zope-2.9 svn. Using python-2.4.2 on Gentoo linux. Zope-2.9.0b1 installed fine, but I needed the fix for get_transaction() ASAP. URL: svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/branches/2.9 Revision: 40780 # ./configure --prefix=/usr/lib/zope-2.9.0 # make # make install (...) copying lib/python/zope/app/recorder/zope.app.recorder-configure.zcml -> /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/zopeskel/etc/package-includes copying lib/python/zope/app/pluggableauth/zope.app.pluggableauth-configure.zcml -> /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/zopeskel/etc/package-includes copying lib/python/zope/app/securitypolicy/securitypolicy-meta.zcml -> /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/zopeskel/etc/package-includes copying lib/python/zope/testbrowser/testbrowser-ftesting.zcml -> /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/zopeskel/etc/package-includes copying lib/python/zope/formlib/formlib-configure.zcml -> /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/zopeskel/etc/package-includes copying lib/python/zope/app/securitypolicy/securitypolicy.zcml -> /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/zopeskel/etc [ -f /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/python ] || ln -sfn "/usr/bin/python" /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/python Zope binaries installed successfully. Now run '/usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/mkzopeinstance.py' This leaves (most visibly) many missing files in /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/. Only the 'python' symlink, and 'zconfig zconfig_schema2html zdctl.py zdrun.py' are installed there. Other files may be missing if they came afterwards, I don't have information on that. Is this line indicating a terminating error in make install? [ -f /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/python ] || ln -sfn "/usr/bin/python" /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/python Subsequent runs don't resume installing the remaining files: # make install "/usr/bin/python" "/home/jtk/software/svn/Zope/setup.py" \ build_ext -i \ install --home="/usr/lib/zope-2.9.0" running build_ext running build_headers running install running build running build_py running build_scripts running install_lib running install_headers running install_scripts changing mode of /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/zconfig to 755 changing mode of /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/zconfig_schema2html to 755 changing mode of /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/zdctl.py to 755 changing mode of /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/zdrun.py to 755 running install_data [ -f /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/python ] || ln -sfn "/usr/bin/python" /usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/python Zope binaries installed successfully. Now run '/usr/lib/zope-2.9.0/bin/mkzopeinstance.py' Thanks for any insight on the issue. I don't think I want to run Zope in-place from the working copy.

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zopectl or runzope just won't start zope
by Qass 18 Dec '05

18 Dec '05

Hi: I'm new to zope and yesterday installed zope 2.8.4 on a linux system running python 2.3.5 Having followed installation instructions I got to the point of 'zopectl start' and got the following error message while trying both 'runzope' and 'zopectl'. I've tried installing different versions of Zope and get the same error (error absent with Zope 3). At one point, Zope did start (I moved it to a different port) but when I tried installing Plone in the Products directory of the zope instance, the 'Plone Site' did not show up in the drop down menu on the right hand side of the ZMI. Which is why I decided to reinstall and have been getting errors since. I haven't messed around with the Python installation at all. In this latest install I ran 'make instance' intead of 'make install' just to see if I would get the same error as I did yesterday when I had an instance of Zope running and I did. Any help in trying to fix this would be highly appreciated. I've tried changing PYTHONPATH in the zopectl file but that just leads to more and more errors. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/blah//Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/run.py", line 56, in ? run() File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/run.py", line 17, in run import Zope2.Startup File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/Zope2/__init__.py", line 60, in ? from Zope2.Startup.run import configure File "/network/share/home/sra/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/__init__.py", line 24, in ? import ZConfig File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/ZConfig/__init__.py", line 21, in ? from ZConfig.loader import loadConfig, loadConfigFile File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/ZConfig/loader.py", line 23, in ? import ZConfig.datatypes File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/ZConfig/datatypes.py", line 19, in ? import datetime File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/DateTime/__init__.py", line 13, in ? from DateTime import DateTime File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/DateTime/DateTime.py", line 21, in ? from datetime import datetime File "/blah/Zope-2.8.4-final/lib/python/DateTime/DateTime.py", line 21, in ? from datetime import datetime ImportError: cannot import name datetime Thank you very much for your help. Qass

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Re: [Zope] zyncer 0.7.0?
by David H 18 Dec '05

18 Dec '05

Alan Milligan wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >David H wrote: > > >>Hi List, >> >>I downloaded zsyncer-0.7.0 and am having problems. Its not working >>for me and it no longer displays prompts for destination password and >>user name when clicking its <edit> tab. Anyone else seeing this? >> >> >> >You need to use extended url auth syntax: >http://username:password@your.domain.com/bla ... > >This is because we can have multiple targets all with different >passwords ... > >Alan > > > Alan, Thanks for your response. Apparently my <zope-instance>bin/zopectl stop / restart sequence was not working on my remote (zettai) instance. I had to do a shutdown from the control panel and *then* a bin/zopectl start worked just fine - and zyncer came up as it should. The install of zsyncer 0.7.0 on my *localr* system was fine - hence the disconnect in what I was seeing ... David

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hosting two site on one zope server
by Allen Huang 17 Dec '05

17 Dec '05

I'm trying to host two site on one zope server I have two fix IP and I have two network card installed. I changed my zope.conf to include two http server that listen on two different ports. But, I placed my site under different folder and I don't know how to redirect different IP to different folder sites by listening on the same port 80 (can change 8080 t0 80 on linux, don't know what server is already using this) can someone help me? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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using tal macros in PloneArticle query
by Stefan Kueppers 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

Hi all, I am trying to use tal and metal inside of a PloneArticle instance and can not get it to work. Should this not be possible? I am aware that kupu needs to be switched to not strip customg tags on edit and that there are settings which enable or disble content types in the article instance. I did enable the text/python-source type in the PloneArticle settings, but this still seems to not work. Anyone knows what I might be doing wrong? Many Thanks!! Stefan Bartlett Web Systems www.bartlett.ucl.ac.uk

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à l'aide
by adeline nombre 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

bonjour je suis un débutant. je veux installer zope sur la debian. mais j'ai remarqué un repertoire /usr/lib/zope. j'ai donc conclu que zope a été installé avec mon system debian. maintenant comment faire pour démarer zope. dois-je faire un start et où? merci --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

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user account defined outside context of object being accessed
by Kees de Brabander 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

I am in the process of upgrading from zope 2.5.1 (yes very old) I used to use the following set up. Prototypically I had the following chain of folders and methods: f1 (folder) f1_index (dtmlmethod) f11 (folder) acl_users (user folder) f111 folder index_html (calling f1_index) I used f1 to place methods and scripts to be acquired by methods in f111. At the level of f1 I defined local roles, disabled the acquisition of the view permission and added that permission on the same level again to existing roles including the local roles except Anonymous. F11 contained a user folder populated with accounts with with local roles defined in f1. The url www.domain.nl/f1/f11/f111 would render the content of f1_index after logging in with an account from acl_users in f11 (basic authentication), that is at least up to zope 2.7.3. At least from 2.7.8. on this very same user is not allowed to access f1_index anymore. I could solve the problem by moving the user folder from f11 to f1, but actually I have also f12, f13, f14, and so on, each with its distinct group of users. The setup described enabled me to remove folders at the second level when they are not needed any more including the whole group of users involved. Furthermore, though the second level folders share a group of methods, some were also specific for specific groups. Another option would be to disable the acquisition of the view permission not on the f1 level, but on the f11 level. However, in that case the url www.domain.nl/f1 would acquire the index_html from the root folder in stead of disallowing access. Apparently I have to change my habits. But how do I come near to my use case? The error message is most verbose in 2.8.4 and reads: Traceback (innermost last): Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 113, in publish Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object Module OFS.DTMLMethod, line 144, in __call__ - <DTMLMethod at /f1/f11/f111/index_html> - URL: http://localhost:8080/f1/f11/f111/index_html/manage_main - Physical Path: /f1/f11/f111/index_html Module DocumentTemplate.DT_String, line 476, in __call__ Module AccessControl.ImplPython, line 184, in guarded_getattr Module AccessControl.ImplPython, line 693, in guarded_getattr Module AccessControl.ImplPython, line 635, in aq_validate Module AccessControl.ImplPython, line 529, in validate Module AccessControl.ImplPython, line 449, in validate Module AccessControl.ImplPython, line 774, in raiseVerbose Unauthorized: Your user account is defined outside the context of the object being accessed. Access to 'f1_index' of (Folder at /f1), acquired through (Folder at /f1/f11/f111), denied. Your user account, user1, exists at /f1/f11/acl_users. Access requires one of the following roles: ['Authenticated', 'Manager', 'Owner', 'student'].

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