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PHP vs. Zope/Plone? Which better overall and for what?
by Phillip Hutchings 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:11 -0800, seberino(a)spawar.navy.mil <seberino(a)spawar.navy.mil> wrote: > I don't know much about web stuff. > > I can see amazing power in Zope and thought PHP was just > for quick and easy little projects. > > However, I keep hearing about more and more big beefy > web projects and companies using PHP. > > Without starting a flame war, is there a chance in future > the power AND ease of PHP may win out over Zope? Does > Zope's architecture have some killer features that PHP > can never copy? > > It seems Zope's steep learning curve is a showstopper for some. > > Please advise. > > Chris As a professional PHP developer you'd think I'd choose PHP, but no. I'd go for Zope for anything complex. Why? I'll explain ;) For quick-and-dirty database to webpage things, PHP wins out every time. Anything that involves basic processing work I'd go to PHP as well. But for anything complex, or if I'm starting from scratch data-storage-wise I'd choose Zope. Basically, despite all PHP's libraries, you start from scratch with PHP. If you want to present friendly URLs to fetch objects (which in PHP would then grab stuff from the DB) like /staff/managerial/joe_bloggs you'd need to either create a whole directory structure for each person, or you'd need to use mod_rewrite to a script and process it with PHP to get what you need, then you'd have to fetch the data and display it. In Zope you create the object in the right place, and you're done! You could create a 'StaffMember' product and define the behaviour and data there and it'd be stored, right there, in Zope. If you need to search, use a ZCatalog. SQL is handy though, and ZSQL can be used for that, but in a similar way. I've only just started on Zope development, but in PHP you always seem to be reinventing the wheel, so to speak. I've made several backends for my website, and none have been finished. Though my current Zope site isn't finished, it's mostly working, and with nowhere near the effort of the PHP sites. I'm sold :) -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ sitharus(a)gmail.com / sitharus(a)sitharus.com

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Zope Apache Question
by Adam Stroud 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

I am trying to get Zope to play with Apache in an environment where I don't have root access and I cant have any persistent precesses. I am leaning towards the fact that it cant be done based on info I have seen on the Internet. Does anyone know of a solution that will work for me in the situation I ma in? Thanks A

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Plone(Zope?) keeps capitalizing name of my zwiki page!?!?
by seberino＠spawar.navy.mil 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Must zope/plone objects be CAPITALIZED??? I called my zwiki page 'whiteboard' and Plone(Zope?) keeps renaming it 'Whiteboard' !?!?! Ahhhhhhhhhh! Sound familiar? how fix? Chris -- _______________________________________ Christian Seberino, Ph.D. SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego Code 2872 49258 Mills Street, Room 158 San Diego, CA 92152-5385 U.S.A. Phone: (619) 553-9973 Fax : (619) 553-6521 Email: seberino(a)spawar.navy.mil _______________________________________

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zeo.conf socket
by Michele Marcionelli 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Hello Zope-List, I hope I'm in the appropriate list ;-) I'm trying to configure Zope-2.7.3 with ZEO (this is my first experience with Zope > 2.5.x) and I read somewhere that in the configuration file 'zeo.conf' in the <zeo>-section you can set the key 'address' to a 'host:port' pair or a 'unix domain socket'. In the <runner>-section there is also a 'socket-name' key, that's default value is '$INSTANCE/etc/zeo.zdsock'. Now: what is the difference between the 'address' (when set to a socket) and the 'socket-name'? And where has the zope-client to 'point to'? address od socket-name? Thank you!! Regards, Michele Marcionelli -- Michele Marcionelli - webmaster@math - Phone: +41 1 632 6193 Address: HG G 14 - Raemistrasse 101 - 8092 Zürich - Switzerland

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Re: [Zope] Plone(Zope?) keeps capitalizing name of my zwiki page!?!?
by Phillip Hutchings 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:40:02 -0800, seberino(a)spawar.navy.mil <seberino(a)spawar.navy.mil> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:32:18AM +1300, Phillip Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:28:30 -0800, seberino(a)spawar.navy.mil > > <seberino(a)spawar.navy.mil> wrote: > > > Must zope/plone objects be CAPITALIZED??? I called my zwiki page > > > 'whiteboard' and Plone(Zope?) keeps renaming it 'Whiteboard' !?!?! > > > > > > Ahhhhhhhhhh! > > > > > > Sound familiar? > > > > No. Check out http://www.sitharus.com/ - no capitalisation there... > > > > > how fix? > > > > How are you adding the object? ZMI? Plone? > > Phillip > > Thanks for the help. I'm adding the Zwiki page in ZMI. > > Chris What browser? I know I've had problems with browser's 'helpfully' autocompleting and putting in capitalisation when I didn't want it. Mostly with IE, which I avoid normally. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ sitharus(a)gmail.com / sitharus(a)sitharus.com

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[Fwd: Re: [Zope] Pack Not Working]
by Derek J. Balling 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

I'm resending this because a couple weeks later and not a single peep was to be heard, and my boss is starting to hound me for insight. :-( Anyone have any helpful advice? D -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Zope] Pack Not Working Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:28:25 -0500 From: Derek J. Balling <dballing(a)dpsource.com> Organization: Decorative Product Source, Inc. To: zope(a)zope.org References: <419A58E2.5070208(a)dpsource.com> <1f7befae04111611596a0e92bb(a)mail.gmail.com> Tim Peters wrote: > Next step is to read this: > > http://zope.org/Wikis/ZODB/FileStorageBackup > > then start investigating the nature of the damage with fstest.py and fsrefs.py. K, now I don't mean to sound stupid, but I inherited a Zope install, and I know absolutely nothing about: (a) python (b) Zope (c) the application we run on this platform (MailManager) ... so any assistance you can give would be appreciated.:-) If I run fstest.py I get: # python /usr/local/Zope-2.7.0/utilities/ZODBTools/fstest.py /home/dballing/Data.fs /home/dballing/Data.fs has inconsistent transaction length for undone transaction at 475866827 .. if I try fsrefs, I get even less pleasant output: # python /usr/local/Zope-2.7.0/utilities/ZODBTools/fsrefs.py /home/dballing/Data.fs Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/Zope-2.7.0/utilities/ZODBTools/fsrefs.py", line 25, in ? from ZODB.FileStorage import FileStorage ImportError: No module named ZODB.FileStorage Ugh... any pointers on what I should do next? D _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Archetypes won't install
by Alan Snyder 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Hey guys - I just got the latest and greatest zope - 2.7.3 and am trying to install the Archetypes product. Now, my zope server refuses to start. I temporarily get a port 8080 used through 'nmap', but then 2 seconds later it's gone and there are no python processes running via 'ps -A'. I've tried the latest archetypes from sf.net and i just tried 1.2.5-rc-4 based on Andy McKay's reference in his plone book. I don't have plone installed - just zope and the other required modules for archetypes. Any thoughts? I can't find good material for installation troubleshooting archetypes. Thanks in advance.

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Registrering a codec in Zope
by Max M 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

I have a special unicode codec that I register with Zope. like: import codec codecs.register(special_codec) But every time I refresh the product that uses the codec, it doesn't get registered again. So my somestring.encode() function returns a None. For every minor change I need to restart the zope server, and it is just soooo slooow to work with. Does anybody have an idea as to how I can avoid doing this? I am in a WinXP machine with Zope 2.7.3 from the installer. I guess I need to put the codec somewhere outside the Product folder, but how do I then get it loaded as part of the Zope startup? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science

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Strategy for 100 SQL tables
by Alan Snyder 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Hi everyone - I have a general question about the best strategy to use for an application in Zope that will have about 100 SQL tables storing a bunch of different data and types, and attachments (document, etc). I still am not 100% clear about the difference between content types, archetypes, and the rest of the types of stuff that can be done with zope. What does everyone suggest for a situation like mine with the following requirements... -- Each table stores unique data and should have the ability to present a 'default' add/edit/remove page with the ability to customize or over-ride the defaults. -- Each table can potentially participate in workflow, each in its own separate process -- The schemas of the tables will need to be changed at installation time (although changing things in house and sending updates and scripts is fine), but changes should be easy to do and be as automatically as possible picked up on the html/dtml forms that are used to modify the data. So far, I've learned a little about archetypes which match these requirements pretty closely, but I only see how to use them in plone, not zope by itself. Any thoughts? TIA Alan

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DTML vs ZTP
by Ian Nunn 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

I'm a third of the way through the Zope Book and understand the difference as it is written. As you can appreciate, in learning a new technology, what is missing is the experience that would guide your focus. What I would like is an idea of how real world developers use these in the following senses. Do you use one exclusively (in conjunction with Python)? Do you use primarily one or the other? Do you use both roughly equally? Are there classes of applications where you have found one is preferred? Your advice would be welcome. Best Regards Ian Nunn School of Computer Science Carleton University, Ottawa, ON, CA

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