September 1999 - Zope

RE: [Zope] Allaire Spectra
by Brian Lloyd 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

> >Good news, I think. They're not learning. > > On the contrary, I believe that there is a great deal that we > could learn from CF. I still remember the first time I downloaded > CF and had built my own custom apps within an evening - not just > prepackaged apps (like Zope's "products" or just using the web > interface) but my own stuff. > ie. they had me writing code immediately. > I am, to paraphrase snowcrash 'as slow as a mammal can be and still > have respiratory functions', so this was no mean feat. > > Their packaging is superb. This *is* important though we (when > wearing our 'techie' hats) would like to think it isn't. I don't > refer to the pretty box that software arrives in, I refer to the > completeness of the documentation, the website, the very simple > tutorials that get people up and running in no time at all. They > understand their target audience well ... and the docs are > written such that even a total mong would understand. Yes, I > speak from experience in the department ;) I think that this is an important thread - while we do not necessarily want to compete with every other product in the marketplace on a feature-by-feature basis, it _is_ important to keep an eye on the competition and to learn from both their successes and failures. Zopistas with significant experience using other systems are invaluable in this process - you have enough of a foot in both worlds to give informed feedback as to what we can learn from the other guys out there. The main general points I see above: o short learning curve, quick tutorials and productivity o very good docs/organization/presentation ...are things that (believe me) we have been hearing loud and clear for a while now. We (and the Zopista community) have been focusing a lot of effort on HowTos, better documentation and improving zope.org as a learning resource to make progress on these concerns. That doesn't mean that the problem is solved, of course, but the community as a whole is certainly aware of it and taking action. That said, are there other particular lessons that you think we should learn from CF/Spectra? Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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newbie-DTML passing url in query-string ?
by Geir B Hansen 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

i have been trying to pass an url in a query-string to a method, like this : my.zopesite.com/function?qs="url to be sent" - which works ok the problem is that when i tell the function to render the url, it intreprets it is a string. If my function looks like this :  <dtml-var qs>  ...i just get an output of "url to be sent" instead of the content of that url.. This seems reasonable enough to me, but how do i tell Zope to render the contents of the document which id equals the query string ? Do i have to do a <dtml-in> and check id against qs in an expression, or is there an easier way ?? thx ------------------------------------------------ Geir B Hansen geirh(a)funcom.com Web-designer / Graphic artist Funcom Oslo ------------------------------------------------

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Gettin all images of a folder
by Olivier Deckmyn 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

Hi all, I have a folder : /MyFolder In this folder there is another folder : /MyFolder /Images The Images folder contains both images and some DTML documents. I would like to be able to display the list of all available images. What is the DTML script to write to iterate through all the images of the Images folder ? smthg like :  </...> Please don't flame : it is my first Zope attempt ! Thx !

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RE: [Zope] Gettin all images of a folder
by Michel Pelletier 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Olivier Deckmyn [mailto:odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:34 AM > To: Zope Mailing List > Subject: [Zope] Gettin all images of a folder > > > Hi all, > > I have a folder : > /MyFolder > > In this folder there is another folder : > /MyFolder > /Images > > The Images folder contains both images and some DTML documents. > > I would like to be able to display the list of all available images. > > What is the DTML script to write to iterate through all the > images of the > Images folder ? > > smthg like : >  > </...> close. <dtml-in "objectValues(['Image'])"> The image <dtml-var id> can be found at <dtml-var absolute_url> </dtml-in> For more information on objectValues, search the experimental mail list archives: http://www.zope.org:12080/archives/Catalog/S -Michel

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How Fast & Stable??
by Geoff Caplan 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

Hi We are setting up a web storefront and I have come across Zope towards the end of a long and frustrating evaluation process. To be frank, when you get up close most application servers just don't cut it. ColdFusion, for example, seems to have some serious reliability problems. Until I spotted Zope, I was pretty much resigned to a belt-and-braces solution with Perl/Velocigen or Tcl/AolServer. Not an easy route, but at least it would be reliable. Compared to raw coding, a Python/Zope/Apache/Solid solution looks attractive, to say the least. But at this relatively early stage in its development, can Zope truly deliver? So a plea to you folks who are actually using Zope 2 in a production setting - is it fast enough and stable enough for us to (literally) bet our house on? It will be running unattended on a remote server (probably Linux). We are planning a niche storefront site which will probably get modest traffic of around 50,000 hits a day with around 3,000 products in the database. Zope is obviously a great product, and most people on this list will be evangelists. But I really would appreciate your objective views. If you prefer privacy, please contact me direct: geoff(a)productivity.co.uk. Thanks Geoff Caplan

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RE: [Zope] ZCatalog: searching for parts of words?
by Michel Pelletier 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Weiner [mailto:weiner@tu-harburg.de] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 8:55 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog: searching for parts of words? > > > Hello Zopestas, > > is there a way to use the full textindex of ZCatalog for finding parts > of words? In general, no. > For Example: > > seeking for 'word' would also bring up 'words'? This will work because of certain rules of english (words is the plural of word) and the Catalog does what's called 'stemming' to remove common english suffixes from words, like the 's' from the end of a word to singularize it. > I'm not sure, whether this is just a special issue in German - due to > the fact that German accepts any thinkable and unthinkable combination > of joined nouns. The CVS version of Zope has been much improved in this area. First, 'z2.py' offers the '-L' switch to set your locale. This is useful so that the Catalog doesn't split up your words on non-english characters like umlauts and such. Second, ZCatalog supports a new feature called a Lexicon, which allows you to have more control over stopwords and stemming rules. More improvement is needed, but I'm not exactly sure where to go without some specific feedback. In the future, there may be 'Pluggable Lexicons' for various languages. -Michel

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Zope and System V init
by Ulrich Wisser 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

Hello, my Linuxbox is not running 24/7. Normally it is booted once a day. My database (Oracle) is started with an System V init script at boottime. Is there such a script for Zope? So long Ulli PS: Wouldn't that be a wonderful How-To? -- ----------------- Die Website Effizienzer ------------------ luna-park Bravo Sanchez, Vollmert, Wisser GbR Ulrich Wisser mailto:u.wisser@luna-park.de Alter Schlachthof, Immenburgstr. 20 Tel +49-228-9654055 D-53121 Bonn Fax +49-228-9654057 ------------------http://www.luna-park.de ------------------

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ZCatalog: searching for parts of words?
by Thomas Weiner 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

Hello Zopestas, is there a way to use the full textindex of ZCatalog for finding parts of words? For Example: seeking for 'word' would also bring up 'words'? I'm not sure, whether this is just a special issue in German - due to the fact that German accepts any thinkable and unthinkable combination of joined nouns. regards thomas -- fon: ++49 (0)40 42878 3781 fax: ++49 (0)40 42878 2728

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Using external editor to edit textareas in Lynx
by Leon de Heus 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

Maybe this has allready been mentioned in the discussion about external editors, but I couldn't find anything about it, so here it goes. Using Lynx 2.8.2 you can invoke an external editor to edit textarea's by pressing ^ve. Of course you must have specified an external editor in your options. Very convenient :) Hope this is of some use to somebody... Best, Leon.

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netscape fastrack server and zope..?
by Jens Vagelpohl 28 Sep '99

28 Sep '99

hi zopistas here's an odd one. i've never heard of anyone running Zope with PCGI through a Netscape server, but somehow a friend of mine set it up (FastTrack 2.0.1) and now he has just one little problem. renaming an object works when he accesses the zope instance using the port ZServer listens on, but he is getting a "Not Found" error when using the netscape server port. Looking at his logs he finds that the rename operation all of a sudden tries to display the URL <server>/Zope/. (including the dot), which results in the "Not Found" Netscape server message. his rewrite rule is: NameTrans from="/Zope" fn="pfx2dir" dir="/stripe1/zope/Zope-2.0.1-src/Zope.cgi" which looks a translation of the standard example rule used to set up apache. here is a little piece of log from the server. notice the "404" in the last line: <snippers> 10.1.1.1 - - [28/Sep/1999:01:57:30 +0000] "GET /Zope/Test/manage_main HTTP/1.0" 200 5472 0.835 10.1.1.1 - - [28/Sep/1999:01:57:30 +0000] "GET /Zope/p_/ltab HTTP/1.0" 200 88 0.570 10.1.1.1 - - [28/Sep/1999:01:57:37 +0000] "POST /Zope HTTP/1.0" 401 1494 0.529 10.1.1.1 - - [28/Sep/1999:01:57:38 +0000] "POST /Zope HTTP/1.0" 200 891 0.589 10.1.1.1 - - [28/Sep/1999:01:57:43 +0000] "POST /Zope/. HTTP/1.0" 404 247 0.550 </snippers> is anyone here actually using the FastTrack server and could spot the problem? any help greatly appreciated :) jens Jens Vagelpohl Systems Administrator Washtenaw Development Council

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