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Re: [Zope] MySQL-python-1.2.2 breaks compiling on Mac OS X 10.5 (Andy Dustman?)
by Hugo Ramos 21 Feb '08

21 Feb '08

Man... I should buy you a drink at Lisbon when you decide to come here!!! :-) The binary package works fine now! I just wish someone would answer about the compilation warning and import error in Zope. Thank you very much Really appreciated Hugo On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Giampiero Benvenuti <giampiero.benvenuti(a)chiaroscuro.com> wrote: > does it work? > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Hugo Ramos wrote: > > > Forget it... Just found the file at: > > http://pythonmac.org/packages/py24-fat/index.html > > > > > > Thanks a lot! > > Hugo > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 5:57 PM, Hugo Ramos <ramosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Where did you get that file? MySQL-Python at sourceforge? > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2008 5:28 PM, Giampiero Benvenuti > >> > >> <giampiero.benvenuti(a)chiaroscuro.com> wrote: > >>> I used MySQL_Python-1.2.1_p2-py2.4-macosx10.4.zip with 10.5 and It > >>> works > >>> just fine. > >>> > >>> Giampiero > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Hugo Ramos wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Well, > >>> > >>> I went googling for this error... Google gives 1 (one) answer!!! The > >>> worst part is that it's related to django and mod_python. > >>> > >>> I guess nobody solved this yet... I'll have to go back to OS X > >>> 10.4 (Tiger). > >>> > >>> omg... > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Hugo > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 20, 2008 12:31 PM, Hugo Ramos <ramosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Hello Chetan, > >>> > >>> Well thank you very much! I must be very tired to forget to compile > >>> MySQL without --enable-thread-safe-client !!! > >>> It seems that MySQL-python now compiles with a warning: > >>> > >>> ld: warning in /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.dylib, > >>> file > >>> is not of required architecture > >>> > >>> But when I try to import _mysql in Python 2.4.4 shell it seems to > >>> import the module with no errors. > >>> > >>> After that when I try to import ZMySQLDA 2.0.8 in Zope 2.10.5 I > >>> receive the following error: > >>> > >>> =============================== > >>> 2008-02-20 11:41:52 ERROR Application Could not import > >>> Products.ZMySQLDA > >>> Traceback (most recent call last): > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line > >>> 709, in import_product > >>> product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly) > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/ > >>> __init__.py", > >>> line 91, in ? > >>> import DA > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/DA.py", > >>> line 92, > >>> in ? > >>> from db import DB > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/db.py", > >>> line 89, > >>> in ? > >>> import _mysql > >>> File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 7, in ? > >>> File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 6, in > >>> __bootstrap__ > >>> ImportError: Inappropriate file type for dynamic loading > >>> Traceback (most recent call last): > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/run.py", > >>> line 56, in > >>> ? > >>> run() > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/run.py", > >>> line 21, in > >>> run > >>> starter.prepare() > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/__init__.py", > >>> line 102, in prepare > >>> self.startZope() > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/__init__.py", > >>> line 278, in startZope > >>> Zope2.startup() > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/__init__.py", line > >>> 47, in > >>> startup > >>> _startup() > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/App/startup.py", line > >>> 45, in startup > >>> OFS.Application.import_products() > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line > >>> 686, in import_products > >>> import_product(product_dir, product_name, raise_exc=debug_mode) > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line > >>> 709, in import_product > >>> product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly) > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/ > >>> __init__.py", > >>> line 91, in ? > >>> import DA > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/DA.py", > >>> line 92, > >>> in ? > >>> from db import DB > >>> File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/db.py", > >>> line 89, > >>> in ? > >>> import _mysql > >>> File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 7, in ? > >>> File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 6, in > >>> __bootstrap__ > >>> ImportError: Inappropriate file type for dynamic loading > >>> =============================== > >>> > >>> Any ideas? > >>> > >>> ps: I'm posting this to zope list because I'm sure there is more > >>> people with this problem. > >>> > >>> > >>> tia > >>> > >>> Hugo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 20, 2008 10:35 AM, Chetan Kumar <chetan.mlist(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello > >>> > >>> I understand. > >>> > >>> If I could take the risk of "telling-the-obvious" what you need to > >>> do > >>> > >>> is to recompile mysql so that mysqlclient_r libraries are also > >>> > >>> created. > >>> > >>> --enable-thread-safe-client is to be used while configuring the > >>> mysql > >>> > >>> installation. > >>> > >>> If that is done already, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH (or equivalent in your > >>> > >>> case) if to set appropriately so that lmysqlclient_r is available > >>> for > >>> > >>> linking. > >>> > >>> Good luck > >>> > >>> Chetan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Hugo Ramos - ramosh(a)gmail.com > >>> IT Project Manager > >>> > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>> http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=10082105466310142690 > >>> http://otuggapoesia.blogspot.com/ > >>> http://otugga.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Hugo Ramos - ramosh(a)gmail.com > >>> IT Project Manager > >>> > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>> http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=10082105466310142690 > >>> http://otuggapoesia.blogspot.com/ > >>> http://otugga.blogspot.com/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > >>> http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > >>> ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > >>> (Related lists - > >>> http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > >>> http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >

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In zopeproject context, how can I execute test on one or all buildout-eggs packages ?
by KLEIN Stéphane 20 Feb '08

20 Feb '08

Hello, at this place https://answers.launchpad.net/zopeproject/+question/25054 I've asked this question : """ In zopeproject context, how can I execute test on one or all buildout- eggs packages ? I've tried to use bin/test -p zope.foobar but it do nothing. """ Thanks for your help, Stephane

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Re: [Zope] MySQL-python-1.2.2 breaks compiling on Mac OS X 10.5 (Andy Dustman?)
by Hugo Ramos 20 Feb '08

20 Feb '08

Where did you get that file? MySQL-Python at sourceforge? Thanks On Feb 20, 2008 5:28 PM, Giampiero Benvenuti <giampiero.benvenuti(a)chiaroscuro.com> wrote: > I used MySQL_Python-1.2.1_p2-py2.4-macosx10.4.zip with 10.5 and It works > just fine. > > Giampiero > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Hugo Ramos wrote: > > > Well, > > I went googling for this error... Google gives 1 (one) answer!!! The > worst part is that it's related to django and mod_python. > > I guess nobody solved this yet... I'll have to go back to OS X 10.4 (Tiger). > > omg... > > > Thanks > Hugo > > > On Feb 20, 2008 12:31 PM, Hugo Ramos <ramosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Chetan, > > Well thank you very much! I must be very tired to forget to compile > MySQL without --enable-thread-safe-client !!! > It seems that MySQL-python now compiles with a warning: > > ld: warning in /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.dylib, file > is not of required architecture > > But when I try to import _mysql in Python 2.4.4 shell it seems to > import the module with no errors. > > After that when I try to import ZMySQLDA 2.0.8 in Zope 2.10.5 I > receive the following error: > > =============================== > 2008-02-20 11:41:52 ERROR Application Could not import Products.ZMySQLDA > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line > 709, in import_product > product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly) > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/__init__.py", > line 91, in ? > import DA > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/DA.py", line 92, > in ? > from db import DB > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/db.py", line 89, > in ? > import _mysql > File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 7, in ? > File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 6, in __bootstrap__ > ImportError: Inappropriate file type for dynamic loading > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/run.py", line 56, in > ? > run() > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/run.py", line 21, in > run > starter.prepare() > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/__init__.py", > line 102, in prepare > self.startZope() > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/__init__.py", > line 278, in startZope > Zope2.startup() > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/__init__.py", line 47, in > startup > _startup() > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/Zope2/App/startup.py", line > 45, in startup > OFS.Application.import_products() > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line > 686, in import_products > import_product(product_dir, product_name, raise_exc=debug_mode) > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line > 709, in import_product > product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly) > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/__init__.py", > line 91, in ? > import DA > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/DA.py", line 92, > in ? > from db import DB > File "/usr/local/zope2.10.5/instance1/Products/ZMySQLDA/db.py", line 89, > in ? > import _mysql > File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 7, in ? > File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/_mysql.py", line 6, in __bootstrap__ > ImportError: Inappropriate file type for dynamic loading > =============================== > > Any ideas? > > ps: I'm posting this to zope list because I'm sure there is more > people with this problem. > > > tia > > Hugo > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 10:35 AM, Chetan Kumar <chetan.mlist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello > > I understand. > > If I could take the risk of "telling-the-obvious" what you need to do > > is to recompile mysql so that mysqlclient_r libraries are also > > created. > > --enable-thread-safe-client is to be used while configuring the mysql > > installation. > > If that is done already, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH (or equivalent in your > > case) if to set appropriately so that lmysqlclient_r is available for > > linking. > > Good luck > > Chetan > > > > > > -- > Hugo Ramos - ramosh(a)gmail.com > IT Project Manager > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=10082105466310142690 > http://otuggapoesia.blogspot.com/ > http://otugga.blogspot.com/ > > > > > -- > Hugo Ramos - ramosh(a)gmail.com > IT Project Manager > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=10082105466310142690 > http://otuggapoesia.blogspot.com/ > http://otugga.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > >

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Memory usage of Zope 2.10.5
by Florian Reiser 20 Feb '08

20 Feb '08

Hello, I've installed Zope 2.10.5 on a w2k-server. After logging in to the management surface, it's occupied memory grows to 875.888 MB of RAM. How can I find out, what causes this? It slows down my server pretty much. With kind regards Florian Reiser -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger

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Re: [Zope] MySQL-python-1.2.2 breaks compiling on Mac OS X 10.5 (Andy Dustman?)
by Hugo Ramos 20 Feb '08

20 Feb '08

Hey Kumar, I like to think that the amount of time I could make anyone here spend looking for something is VERY well spent. That link you sent me is just 1 of the about 50 I searched on google before posting the problem. :-) I can tell you now that cp, mv and ln are not the solution. I can also tell you that there's someone posting this and the patch to MySQL-python sourceforge site as a bug in the setup_posix.py file (which didn't solve my problem) Finally I can also tell you that after compiling MySQL 5.0.51a from source my /usr/local/mysql/lib and /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql look like this: $ dir /usr/local/mysql/lib/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 102 Feb 20 01:55 . drwxr-xr-x 11 root wheel 374 Feb 20 01:56 .. drwxr-xr-x 14 root wheel 476 Feb 20 01:55 mysql $ dir /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/ total 3616 drwxr-xr-x 14 root wheel 476 Feb 20 01:55 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 102 Feb 20 01:55 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 12168 Feb 20 01:55 libdbug.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 40048 Feb 20 01:55 libheap.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 351896 Feb 20 01:55 libmyisam.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 21128 Feb 20 01:55 libmyisammrg.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 375120 Feb 20 01:55 libmysqlclient.15.0.0.dylib lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 27 Feb 20 01:55 libmysqlclient.15.dylib -> libmysqlclient.15.0.0.dylib -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 492440 Feb 20 01:55 libmysqlclient.a lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 27 Feb 20 01:55 libmysqlclient.dylib -> libmysqlclient.15.0.0.dylib -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 877 Feb 20 01:55 libmysqlclient.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 262088 Feb 20 01:55 libmystrings.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 262940 Feb 20 01:55 libmysys.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5848 Feb 20 01:55 libvio.a I run out of ideas now... after 3 days searching and testing... HELP would be much appreciated. Thanks guys On Feb 20, 2008 3:08 AM, Chetan Kumar <chetan.mlist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Discussion and solution here > http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?50,175059,180049 > Cheers!!! > Chetan > -- Hugo Ramos - ramosh(a)gmail.com IT Project Manager

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MySQL-python-1.2.2 breaks compiling on Mac OS X 10.5 (Andy Dustman?)
by Hugo Ramos 20 Feb '08

20 Feb '08

Yellow ppl, I'm having a problem I didn't have in OS X 10.4 (tiger)... When compiling MySQL-python-1.2.2 on OS X 10.5 (leopard) I get a very annoying error I'm not being able to solve. I've tried moving, copying and linking libraries around but nothing seems to work. Anyone seen this before? Andy? :-) Thanks ===================== - Mac OS X 10.5.2 (intel) - MySQL 5.0.51a (compiled from source) - Python 2.4.4 - MySQL-python-1.2.2 ===================== $ python setup.py build running build running build_py copying MySQLdb/release.py -> build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/MySQLdb running build_ext building '_mysql' extension creating build/temp.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4 gcc -arch ppc -arch i386 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-long-double -no-cpp-precomp -mno-fused-madd -fno-common -dynamic -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Dversion_info=(1,2,2,'final',0) -D__version__=1.2.2 -I/usr/local/mysql/include/mysql -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4 -c _mysql.c -o build/temp.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/_mysql.o gcc -arch i386 -arch ppc -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -g -bundle -undefined dynamic_lookup build/temp.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/_mysql.o -L/usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient_r -lz -lm -o build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/_mysql.so ld: library not found for -lmysqlclient_r collect2: ld returned 1 exit status ld: library not found for -lmysqlclient_r collect2: ld returned 1 exit status lipo: can't open input file: /var/tmp//ccR04Uyn.out (No such file or directory) error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 ===================== -- Hugo Ramos - ramosh(a)gmail.com IT Project Manager

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TextIndexNG3 question
by Erik Myllymaki 18 Feb '08

18 Feb '08

I have an older Zope install and i want to enable searching of Page Templates and PDFs. Because it's an older Zope version (2.8.5) I have had to go back a few revisions of TextIndexNG3 (3.1.16) and Five (1.2.6) Install seems fine including setup of the extensions modules. I create a textIndexNG Index called PrincipiaSearchSource, Converters show that pdftotext is available and HTML to ASCII is 'always' available. I find all Page Templates and PDFs and Catalog them. They do show up in the Catalog, but the Page Templates have all their HTML tags included in the catalog(I thought they would be stripped automagically) and the PDFs have no words cataloged at all. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Erik Myllymaki Zope Version (Zope 2.8.5-final, python 2.3.5, linux2) Python Version 2.3.5 (#1, Jan 3 2006, 23:22:48) [GCC 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-52)] System Platform linux2 SOFTWARE_HOME /usr/local/Zope-2.8.5/lib/python ZOPE_HOME /usr/local/Zope-2.8.5 Five (Installed product Five (Five 1.2.6)) TextIndexNG3 (Installed product TextIndexNG3 (3.1.16))

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z3c.zalchemy : ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass z3c.zalchemy.interfaces.IAlchemyEngineUtility>, 'DemoEngine-1')
by KLEIN Stephane 17 Feb '08

17 Feb '08

Hi, I've tested z3c.zalchemy package and I've this error : """ ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass z3c.zalchemy.interfaces.IAlchemyEngineUtility>, 'DemoEngine-1') """ This is the different step I've did : 1. I've installed a fresh python environment with virtuelenv 2. I've installed zopeproject package (in this new python environment) 3. I've created new zope project with bin/zopeprojet zalchemytest 4. zope3 had installed with success 5. I've added z3c.zalchemy in install_requires in setup.py 6. I've restarted buildout 7. z3c.zalchemy version 0.2.1 had downloaded and installed 8. In src/zalchemytest/configure.zcml I've added this lines : <include package="z3c.zalchemy" /> <include package="z3c.zalchemy" file="meta.zcml" /> <include package="z3c.zalchemy.demo.demo_1" /> 9. When I've started bin/zalchemytest-debug I've this error : """ [snip] File "/home/harobed/Experimentations/zalchemy/buildout-eggs/ zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.configuration.xmlconfig.ZopeXMLConfigurationError: File "/home/ harobed/Experimentations/zalchemy/zalchemytest/site.zcml", line 4.2-4.36 ZopeXMLConfigurationError: File "/home/harobed/Experimentations/ zalchemy/zalchemytest/src/zalchemytest/configure.zcml", line 30.0-30.46 ZopeXMLConfigurationError: File "/home/harobed/Experimentations/ zalchemy/buildout-eggs/z3c.zalchemy-0.2.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/zalchemy/demo/ demo_1/configure.zcml", line 16.2-19.8 ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass z3c.zalchemy.interfaces.IAlchemyEngineUtility>, 'DemoEngine-1') """ My investigation : * DemoEngine-1 AlchemyEngineUtility is well declared in demo/demo_1/ configure.zcml * If I comment this lines : """  """ bin/zalchemytest-debug start with success. And I can get DemoEngine-1 AlchemyEngineUtility with success in debug console. * If I uncomment previous lines, I understand it's line below which throw exception : In demo/demo_1/message.py: z3c.zalchemy.createTable('message', 'DemoEngine-1') I've added debugger set_trace before this line and I've tryed to fetch DemoEngine-1 AlchemyEngineUtility with no success. I don't understand why it ! Thanks for your help, Regards, Stephane

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z3c.zalchemy.datamanager.getSession can't catch named AlchemyEngineUtility. It's a feature or a mistake ? one forget ?
by KLEIN Stephane 17 Feb '08

17 Feb '08

Hi, I've a question about "z3c.zalchemy" : "alchemy:engine" directive make for register a new AlchemyEngineUtility. It's possible to set a name to utility. However, z3c.zalchemy.datamanager.getSession can't catch named AlchemyEngineUtility ! It's a feature or a mistake ? one forget ? Thereof z3c.zalchemy.demo.demo1 can't work ! Regards, Stephane

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Happy Valentine's Day from Zwiki HQ
by Simon Michael 17 Feb '08

17 Feb '08

Hello Zopistas.. a happy Valentine's day to all! Continuing with my spring cleaning theme over at http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion , here are some musings. Like many of you, I'm always wondering where is the most useful place to spend my community hacking time. Sometimes Zwiki seems like the very best place; other times it doesn't. Development pretty much came to a full stop at times last year. So I'm kicking around some ideas. I'm pondering what slows down my Zwiki hacking. First, let me get one thing off my chest: for me, Python is a `blub <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blub>`_! There, I said it. Moving on.. then, there are the usual questions of project and platform maturity, legacy cruft, how many people actually use this thing, what is the benefit, what's the future potential, etc. Don't get me wrong, I expect Python and Zope 2 to keep growing and succeeding for a very long time. And so I guess Zwiki will continue to be used and perhaps grow in user base. At the current rate of development, though, we will not stay competitive with other software or even catch up with our own bug reports. Looking at current code, I am reminded that Zwiki 0.x is mature, built on early zope 2 architecture, and that cleanup continues to be expensive (compared to starting something fresh). Of course, many hands make light work. Imagine ten developers working on Zwiki at once - cleanup expense would no longer be noticeable, we could pretty much do whatever we want. That's not our current reality. Is it possible to find ten Zwiki developers now or in future ? I'm sure I could increase our numbers (from two active) by sustained effort, but how far and how smart a strategy that is I don't know. Another idea which inspired this post is to branch, mothballing 0.x as-is and moving development focus to a Zwiki 2.x where we would do aggressive disruptive cleanup. Say we did that. What would you throw out of Zwiki 0.x ? What would you keep ? This is to air these thoughts, solicit your ideas, and also a kind of ping to gauge support for the project circa 2008, I guess. Warm regards - Simon -- forwarded from http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion#msg20080214142402-0800@zwiki.org Joyful Systems http://joyful.com

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