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RE: [Zope] Where to Begin
by Farrell, Troy 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Start with the Zope Book http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB It should be a good intro. It sounds like you've setup zope already, so skip a few chapters. Welcome. Troy -----Original Message----- From: glinds - Greg Lindstrom [mailto:glinds@acxiom.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:37 AM To: 'zope(a)zope.org' Subject: [Zope] Where to Begin Greetings- I would like to learn Zope, but am having trouble getting over the initial learning curve. I have heard that Zope offers a great way to create a web-based application and is python friendly. I have programmed for about 20 years now, was able to learn the mechanics of C++ (though I have yet to have anyone convince me it was worth the effort), have been using Python for a couple of years, and have run through the Zope tutorial. I feel I'm ready, but -- like the dazed freshman on the first day of classes -- don't know the 'next step'. Should I shell out the $$ for the new "Programming Python" book? Do I go out and look at Zope Websites and look at the source code? Any help and/or pointers would be appreciated. Greg Lindstrom Acxiom Corporation -- InfoBase Products Development Phone: 501.252.1626 email: glinds(a)acxiom.com "More computing sins are committed in the name of efficiency (without necessarily achieving it) than for any other single reason - including blind stupidity." - W.A. Wulf _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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WROX book on ZOPE cancelled?
by Boris Karnikowski 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Hello listfolks, I hope my request is not too off topic ... I am an editor with Pearson Education Germany and I heard that the WROX people have just cancelled their ZOPE book. Hm ... Could somebody comment on this? Maybe the authors themselves? Thanks a lot for your help & best, Boris Editor Open Source bkarnikowski(a)pearson.de Markt+Technik (CeBIT: 5/C44) Ein Imprint der Pearson Education Deutschland GmbH Martin-Kollar-Str. 10-12, D-81829 Muenchen Tel.: +49(0)89/46003-349, Fax: +49(0)89/46003-330 www.mut.de

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Re: [Zope] newbie security question
by Hans de Wit 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Gary Perez wrote > Tested on 2.3.0... > > Folder1/acl_users - create Manager1 (role is Manager) > Set Folder1 permissions > etc. That is correct, this works. Thanks Met vriendelijke groeten, Hans de Wit h.de.wit(a)scp.nl

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Form-Submit
by Axel.Missbach＠t-online.de 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

I want to call a form within a method. The address is submitted with the REQUEST. Using <dtml-var address> only shows the content of address. or <dtml-call address> shows only an emtpy screen I have tried it with or without quotation mark. Manuelly calling <dtml-var "main.sub.detail.formular">(which is the content of address) works fine. Changing the address in "main/sub/detail/formular", doesn't change the behavior. Please tell me how to handle this. Axel

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Howto use has_permission (was RE: [Zope] How to test for a user h aving a permission?)
by Mayers, Philip J 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Maybe I'm being dumb, but this doesn't work for me: This doesn't work at all: <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('View',subfolder)"> <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('Access contents information',subfolder)"> This always returns false: <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('View','subfolder')"> <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('Access contents information','subfolder')"> How do I use this? Regards, Phil +----------------------------------+ | Phil Mayers, Network Support | | Centre for Computing Services | | Imperial College | +----------------------------------+ -----Original Message----- From: Hamish Lawson [mailto:hamish_lawson@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 15 March 2001 00:06 To: Dieter Maurer; Tim Cook Cc: zope(a)zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] How to test for a user having a permission? Tim Cook wrote: > <dtml-if > expr="AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('Edit','PARENTS[0]')"> > <a href="<dtml-var absolute_url>/manage_main">Edit</a> > </dtml-if> Thanks. Brian Lloyd also mentioned has_permission() in reply to my post on the (mis)use of hasRole(). Dieter Maurer wrote: > Look in the embedded Online Help system -> API reference -> User I'd already had a look in the online help, but there's no section for User (at least in my Zope installation), and the section for AuthenticatedUser doesn't list has_permission() - perhaps it ought to. I will concede, though, that I could easily enough have done a grep through the Zope source for the likely candidates, "def hasPermission" or "def has_permission" <sheepish grin>. Hamish Lawson ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Quotation.
by Erik Enge 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Hi. Could we please try to quota a bit «nicer»¹ around here? Not all of us have *DSL lines, and it generates *alot* of unecessary bytes after awhile, not to mention the extra time it takes to read a badly quoted reply. Thanks. ¹ <URL:http://home.online.no/~vidaandr/news/FAQquoting.html> This one is for Usenet, but most of it applies to mail as well.

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newbie security question
by Hans de Wit 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Hello, I have a security question,I read chapter 6 of the Zope book, and doing something wrong. I want to delegate the management of a sub-folder, so there is a folder(folder1) with a manager1 and a sub-folder (folder2) with a different manager2. Folder 1 and 2 are not public, so anonymous cann't view them. The folder2 should be able to be viewed by the manager2, but not by anonymous. Nothing very special, i thought. In the folder1 i turned the Acquire permission setting for the view permission off. The folder can only be viewed by manager1, not by not by anonymous, not by manager2 (manager 2 is not a user of folder 1) In the sub-folder, folder2, manager 2 is a user (with the management role) It doesn't work. Manager2 is missing the view tab, the rest of the management view is available. I can have him his view tab: by setting the Acquire permission setting in folder 1 on 'on'. It doesn't matter that this setting in folder 2 is off. But now anonymous can view everything. I am just not getting the point. I am using 2.3.0 with the 2001_03_08 hotfix. Met vriendelijke groeten, Hans de Wit h.de.wit(a)scp.nl

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Re: [Zope] IOERROR Uploading a file
by Dieter Maurer 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Richard Moon writes: > I'm getting an IOERROR Errno 5 Input/output error when uploading a file to > my zope site. The file is handled by an external method > > def abcfile_read(self,REQUEST): > > # following line reads each line from uploaded code > > file=REQUEST.form['abcfile'] > > > and the error is occurring at the file=REQUEST.form['abcfile'] line Strange.... "errno=5" has nothing to do with permissions. It is a true IO error. I would expect it for disk read/write failures or communication failures (for network file systems). What is even more strange, the line above does not access the file at all. It just assigns the FileUpload object to the local variable file. Are you sure, that the exception comes from this line? Dieter

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RE: [Zope] Zope "fitness"
by Randall F. Kern 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

This sounds like a neat portal, I hope your project goes smoothly. My team just made beta today on version 2.0 of our product. Version 1 was written in PHP, and I have several comments on why you might prefer Python (and Zope) to PHP. Version 1.0 of our system was done in PHP for reasons similar to the "flat learning curve" comment you make below; it worked, and it was easy and quick to go from HTML to a working database application. However, when we wanted to expand our system or fix bugs in a core component, PHP fell short. This lead me to Python, and then to Zope. Python provides a programming language that "fits our brains". It's also one of the fastest, most productive languages I've ever used. When I'm unsure how a function works, or exactly how to slice a sequence to get the effect I want I can just start an interpreter and try it. Most importantly, it is far and away the most fun programming I've done in a long time. By adding Zope we get a great content management system, and a good framework for security and other nasty server programming problems. It also provides a basis for customization with DTML and properties. As for complexity, yes, Zope can be complicated. In particular, most of the problems I see are either super-deep-dark Python hacks that I really shouldn't have done, _or_ Python expressions being used inside DTML tags (this results in some syntax strangeness.) I didn't read the thread on checking the string for bad characters, but using a Python Script or a Python Product it would also just be a one liner. I don't know what is available for user management in Zope, because early on I decided my best solution was a user folder integrated in my product. However, I have dealt with several of the other issues you raise. For your special site versions, I think it would be easy to write a SiteAccess (a Product that comes with Zope 2.3.0+) rule that would first call a setup python script for each event (subdomain), and then let the normal site code run. This setup script could set various values that your main scripts could then refer to; things like default values for your input fields, special banners, a different style sheet, etc. I have not done this in particular, but I have done similar things. I would much rather try to do this in Zope than PHP. The plugin-applets you mention seem to be a combination of client-side components (like the date picker) and server side components (like message forums). Zope doesn't add much to client-side component development, but doesn't hinder it either. Server side component development and integration I've found to be much easier with Zope than PHP. For one thing, general shared configuration is easy in Zope (using properties), whereas with PHP you have to store all your configuration in source, or write some script to parse a config file. DTML includes built in support for the <dtml-tree> tag, which implements the expandable tree control you see in the manage UI. This tag calls back into your code to get the list of elements to show when a node is expanded, so it should be just as fast as your script code. It doesn't appear to allocate storage for anything it isn't using, so I think it will be quite fast. I've never used it with a data set this large, but I think it would work quite well. I don't know anything about doing WAP/WML with Zope, but once again since Zope has a nice consistent way to interact with content and configuration, I would prefer to work on multiple protocols (like WAP and HTTP) using Zope than PHP. With PHP you would be forced to invent your own internal layers; with Zope you could reuse existing mechanisms like ZSQL Methods and properties. As for database support and flexibility, my site was first built using MySQL, and I moved to PostgreSQL in a couple days, including building the new database schema (which was quite a bit more sophisticated, using foreign keys and checks that mysql doesn't support). Zope's internal database is also very helpful for storing configuration and static content (welcome pages, announcements, etc.) One problem I've seen people complain about on this list is the difficulty of updating a bunch of ZSQL Methods to use a new database adapter (if you switch from MySQL to PostgreSQL.) However, it's very easy to write a quick python app that connects to the ZODB and updates all your ZSQL Methods to use the new DBA. Dealing with SQL queries is much easier in Zope than PHP, but switching between database servers (if you've written a good layer in-between your application logic and the PHP DB apis) would be easier in PHP. I also do all my development in vi :). I just saw on this list earlier a file system for linux that mounts an FTP server into your file system. That would be great for Zope development. You can also use vim with the FTP extensions (my solution). -Randy > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Benecke [mailto:jens@jensbenecke.de] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:02 AM > To: Zope Users List > Subject: [Zope] Zope "fitness" > > > Hello, > > I've been lurking in this list for a couple weeks now and > I've learnt a lot > about Zope's capabilities. I've installed it and looked at a > lot of guides, > howtos and documentation on the Zope website. However, I'd > like to make > sure I make the right descision in choosing Zope and for that > I'd like to > ask a couple more questions. > > > We are running a "hitch-hiker" portal in Germany right now. > It lets users > insert a route they drive and others can search if they are > going the same > way, then drive together, saving time and travel costs. There are more > services like contacting people, personalization, etc. in planning. > > I like PHP because it was there to learn quickly and there was a flat > learning curve if you already know HTML. Insert a small PHP > tag here and > there and so slowly extend your site, being productive all the time. > > > In the next couple weeks, I would like to redesign the site > completely and > -PERHAPS- choose Zope as the development environment. That at > least partly > depends on the answers I get here :-) > > > Zope, as I understood is a bit more than just a server based > HTML scripting > engine with database access. It takes OOP to the web and > doesn't see pages, > directories but objects that can be extended - which is an > idea I like a > lot. Some of the things that I am planning to do seem to be > just the thing > Zope was made for. > > > What I would like to know is not just whether things are > "possible" with > Zope, I want to know whether these things are _easy_ with > Zope. I've seen > the reply to the post where somebody was asking how to check > if a string > contained only certain chars and the answer was a 10-line > <dtml-something > ...> script, which kind of scared me. This would be a > one-liner regexp in > PHP or Perl ... > > > - Transparent User registration. When a new user visits our > site I want to > re-recognize him after that. With that info, I would like > to know things > like > > - how much % of users came a second time > - how much % of users viewed how many pages > - etc. > > - Non-transparent user registration :-) I need an "easy" (in terms of > developing, and using) way for the users to save their settings and > perhaps even choose several profiles for themselves, for > address lists > and so on. > > - For certain dates, like festivals or special holidays, I > want to take the > whole site and "extend it" (see OOP) with a couple > additional features, > and present _that_ site in a sub-domain. Like > > - different colours / title bar > - pre-selected entry fields (e.g. for a sports festival > when everybody is > driving to the same place anyway) > - etc. > > - Plug in "applets". For example, for a date entry field I'd > like a small > calendar pop-up where people can select a date, and perhaps > also select > dates like "next monday three weeks from now" or something. > Those might > be available as PHP classes or as Zope products and the > point would IMHO > be how to integrate them in our system. Other extensions might be a > message forum, email forms, rating other users, or whatever. > > - One thing I specially like is the "tree" view method (which > is also used > in the tutorial). Is this a special Zope feature or just > "one of many"? > How would it cope with a _lot_ of data (I'm talking about x*10,000 > entries in total)? (This might be a way of browsing > available database > entries like cities, for our users. ATM we are using more > or less a flat > list which is not optimal for 29,000 database entries.) > > - Plug in WAP/WML and cell phone short message system > capability. I want > users to be able to query our system by sending a SMS (I've got a > provider for this already) or using their cell phone as web > browser via > WAP. > > - Database flexibility. The whole site will run on a MySQL or Postgres > database (haven't decided yet) and I probably won't need > Zope's internal > Database. I guess this won't be a problem. > > - vi compatability :) I haven't yet found out where the actual files > reside, but one thing I do *not* want to use for regular > development is > the web frontend. File/Save, or :wa , and refresh the > browser window is > my idea of development environment ... I hope this is possible. > > > Those are the ideas I have. I've got a rough idea how to > implement them in > PHP and I can see it won't be an easy task whatever I chosse > to use. I'm > perfectly willing to lern Python and do most of the scripting > in Python > anyway (putting thousands of "dtml-tags" into the source > isn't exactly the > way to go I suppose) but I would really like to hear your input first. > > > Thanks a lot!! > > > -- > Jens Benecke > · > " ...screams erupted at a Seattle hotel where Microsoft > founder Bill Gates > was addressing an education and technology conference. (...)" > -- cnn.com, Reportage über das Erdbeben > in Seattle >

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RE: [Zope] DTML method --> PythonScript
by Mayers, Philip J 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

REQUEST = context.REQUEST RESPONSE = REQUEST.RESPONSE schoolmenu = context.SchoolMenuClass.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST) ^^^^^^^^ schoolmenu.propertysheets.Basic.manage_editProperties(REQUEST) schoolmenu.reindex_object() if REQUEST.has_key(DestinationURL): return RESPONSE.redirect(DestinationURL+'/manage_workspace') return RESPONSE.redirect(URL2+'/manage_workspace') Possibly? Regards, Phil +----------------------------------+ | Phil Mayers, Network Support | | Centre for Computing Services | | Imperial College | +----------------------------------+ -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com] Sent: 13 March 2001 03:08 To: Zope listserv Subject: [Zope] DTML method --> PythonScript Hi everyone, I recently asked what the following DTML Method would look like as a PythonScript. Unfortunately, the answer given doesn't work. I've including the traceback below, and would appreciate any further ideas anyone has. Original SchoolMenuClass_add DTML Method: <HTML> <HEAD><TITLE>Add SchoolMenuClass</TITLE></HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" LINK="#000099" VLINK="#555555"> <dtml-with "SchoolMenuClass.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)"> <dtml-call "propertysheets.Basic.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)"> <dtml-call reindex_object> </dtml-with> <dtml-if DestinationURL> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect(DestinationURL+'/manage_workspace')"> <dtml-else> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect(URL2+'/manage_workspace')"> </dtml-if> </body></html> The PythonScript that was suggested (with REQUEST and RESPONSE passed in the parameter list): REQUEST = context.REQUEST RESPONSE = REQUEST.RESPONSE schoolmenu = SchoolMenuClass.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST) schoolmenu.propertysheets.Basic.manage_editProperties(REQUEST) schoolmenu.reindex_object() if REQUEST.has_key(DestinationURL): return RESPONSE.redirect(DestinationURL+'/manage_workspace') return RESPONSE.redirect(URL2+'/manage_workspace') The resulting traceback:  -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson(a)visi.com | <dtml-var pithy_quote> | http://linux.com/ _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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