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Re: [Zope] 2.3.0 really not Beta?
by Stephan Goeldi 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>I have no such problems. Nice for you >Again, 2.3.0 works for me pretty nice in this aspect. >I am going to switch to VirtualHostMonster, but now I use SiteRoot, and I >am satsified. Do you have different domains under the same tree? In my installation there are about 10 domains on 1 server. 9 domains work perfect, 1 does not. >It was declared "stable" exactly because no one caugth such behaviour. In >the world of free software it is *you* who test software, send patches to >authors, etc. No one ought to do something special for you. Why didn't you >test 2.3 betas and caught these errors? Ah, you want only stable software! >Then pay for it! Either you must (I said "must") pay with your time (test >betas, make patches) or you can pay money. It doesn't seem to be a good day for you, does it? Your definition of the word 'stable' seems to be the Microsoft definition, which doesn't work too. There I pay for software and it isn't stable anyway. I don't think that the people of DC think the same like you. They are interested in a stable and working Zope, and therefore their support on this list is professional and perfect. Of course Zope is not open source only because of philantropic thoughts. There should not only be the fact, that it is free, but also the fact, that a declaration of 'stable' really is trustable. OK, let's say 2.3.0 is really stable. What is the difference, which made Zope go away on my redhat server? Is there anything different in installing 2.3.0 than 2.2.5? I made the upgrade exactly as described in the Upgrading-Howto. >Why didn't you test 2.3 betas and caught these errors? Because I am not a programmer. I am an administrator and webdesigner. Without this class of users, there would be no use for Zope. Except for your hobby. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Geting objects from user
by Ben Edwards List Acc 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

I know you can give users access the zope inteface so they can move files from there local file system into zope but is there a way of including this in a zope application (i.e. I have my own form I which a user to be able to do this from). I would also want to have control over what the object is called. ben -- ben(a)videonetwork.org +44 (0)7970 269 522 http://www.subvertise.org -- Altering the Corporate Image http://www.criticaldistribution.org -- Buy Alternative Video Online http://www.videonetwork.org -- Community/Radical Video http://www.spamcop.net/ -- Killing SPAM feels good!

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DynPersist for Win2K
by Ian Campbell 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Hi, I`m trying to locate a pre-compiled DynPersist for Windows2000. I`ve found the howto but this requires MS VC6 which i dont have available. I would be grateful if anyone could send this to me or point me in the direction of where i could locate it. Thanks Ian

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Re: [Zope] 2.3.0 really not Beta?
by Stephan Goeldi 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>This is not true. Zope is applicable to many other areas besides >Content Managment and dynamic websites. I won't mention any of those >because it isn't in the context of this thread. So only count the areas except content management and websites. Will Zope then already be a global player? >| Except for your hobby. >Let's not get personal here. I've seen many mailinglists and >newsgroups go really sour because of personal attacks. The Zope-lists >are very free of such non-sense, and it would be nice if they stayed >that way. >If you want to comment on someone, comment on their actions, not their >person. This is very basic conflict-psychology. We've all read >Gandhi, right? :) Oh, this was personal? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [Zope] 2.3.0 really not Beta?
by Ben Edwards List Acc 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Just been reading it (I ignored it at first cos I thout it was simply a discusion about freebees. Anyway I would not describe it as a flame war. > Really? I am not sure :) Just look into the thread "Zope and DC stuff" - >did you enjoy it? :) Got much information from it? :))) -- ben(a)videonetwork.org +44 (0)7970 269 522 http://www.subvertise.org -- Altering the Corporate Image http://www.criticaldistribution.org -- Buy Alternative Video Online http://www.videonetwork.org -- Community/Radical Video http://www.spamcop.net/ -- Killing SPAM feels good!

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OT: Upgrading postgresql
by Steve Drees 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

I'm gonna bite the bullet and upgrade to the 7.0.x branch of postgresql (from 6.5.3) on a production server. Has anybody done this already and have some pointer, especially with regards to keeping the ZPygresqlDA product working?

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Zope dumping core
by Dario Lopez-K�sten 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Hello! I am runing zope 2.2.5 on a Solaris box, and it is dumping core (suspect: SQL MEthods with oracle, FTP server). I am using it in conjunction with oracle. Could this be the culprit? Any help is appreciated. If we cannot get Zope to be stable we'll have to abandon it; this is not on my list of preferred actions, but we have very little in zope at the moment, jet it is unstable. We'll soon need to start moving to production and more heavy testing. DC: what do you charge for technical support? Contact me off list, please. Do any of you have any hints on how to track down the source of the failing. AFAIK I have set up everything to log as much as possible, but there is no hint of anythin in the logs. Also I don't know how to read the logs. I'll poke around the sources, but if anyone has some info they'd like to share, i'd appreciate it a lot. Sincerely, /dario - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology dario(a)ita.chalmers.se ICQ will yield no hits IT Systems & Services

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Re: [Zope] 2.3.0 really not Beta?
by Ben Edwards List Acc 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Any chance of stopping the flame war, or take it off list (I know I am not totaly inocent) but people may want to use the list for other things ;-). >>This is not true . Zope is applicable to many other areas besides >>Content Managment and dynamic websites. I won't mention any of those >>because it isn't in the context of this thread. > >So only count the areas except content management and websites. >Will Zope then already be a global player? > >>| Except for your hobby. > >>Let's not get personal here. I've seen many mailinglists and >>newsgroups go really sour because of personal attacks. The Zope-lists >>are very free of such non-sense, and it would be nice if they stayed >>that way. >>If you want to comment on someone, comment on their actions, not their >>person. This is very basic conflict-psychology. We've all read >>Gandhi, right? :) > >Oh, this was personal? > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org >http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope >** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** >(Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > -- ben(a)videonetwork.org +44 (0)7970 269 522 http://www.subvertise.org -- Altering the Corporate Image http://www.criticaldistribution.org -- Buy Alternative Video Online http://www.videonetwork.org -- Community/Radical Video http://www.spamcop.net/ -- Killing SPAM feels good!

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Re: [Zope] 2.3.0 really not Beta?
by Ben Edwards List Acc 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>> I don't understand why it can be declared as 'stable' with such behaving. >> Where these bugs not detected in beta phase? > > It was declared "stable" exactly because no one caugth such behaviour. >In the world of free software it is *you* who test software, send patches >to authors, etc. No one ought to do something special for you. Why didn't >you test 2.3 betas and caught these errors? Ah, you want only stable >software! Then pay for it! Either you must (I said "must") pay with your >time (test betas, make patches) or you can pay money. Buy a contract. DC >will provide you with all neccessary details about their contracts. > Good luck! True if a little harsh. I guess software is considered stable if no one who was testing it (with with zope I guess is a LOT of people) found problems which could not be put down to there configuration. You are assuming your system (i.e. your computer/os) is perfect. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but yust because software douse not work for YOU dose not mean that it is the softwares fault. Also I should point out that just cos you spend megabuks on software dose not mean it is stable. From my point ben -- ben(a)videonetwork.org +44 (0)7970 269 522 http://www.subvertise.org -- Altering the Corporate Image http://www.criticaldistribution.org -- Buy Alternative Video Online http://www.videonetwork.org -- Community/Radical Video

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Re: [Zope] 2.3.0 really not Beta?
by Stephan Goeldi 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>Absoluteley not. But it is strange to see people demanding stable software >without doing something good for it. I will tell you what I did for Zope: I created a CD-ROM with video presentations of the ease of using Zope. As far as I know there doesn't exist such stuff on the Zope site. That's why we created it ourselves. Open Source doesn't only live of the programmers. There are the guys too who fight with the dummy managers who think only micro~1.oft Software is good business software. But of course this is some work you cannot see on this mailing list. >Now something more constructive. >First time I installed 2.3 I >copied old Data.fs from 2.2.5, but later I found that 2.3 has much nicer >interface, and I wanted to preserve its original root folder, so I >restarted 2.2.5, exported all folders, and imported them to fresh 2.3. I >also copied all products (except for SiteAccess - it is bundled with 2.3, >finally) and reimported all ZClassess (I use 2 such >Products). I did it exactly the same way except of the reimporting of ZClasses. There is no such product. The only product may be LocalFS. which I installed AFTER the reimporting of the exported object-tree. Thank you, this was a really constructive note. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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