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Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope
by Rik Hoekstra 25 May '00

25 May '00

>Seriously, Python and Perl are two scripting languages, similar in >scope, both successful. The Java market has about a thousand choices >for app servers, whereas the Perl market's need is largely unmet. > >> would be Java floating around in Zope's bowl before Perl! Perl? >> Jeeze... what a great but very scary thing. I trust that DC will do >> it right. > >Yes we will. As Jim is fond of saying, we allow methods in a lot of >languages already: Python, HTML (DTML), SQL, and soon XSLT. The latter >is *definately* one that will make Perl look readable. :^) > >Don't worry, this is a Good Thing. Scripting languages should work >together and present a strong alternative. > Agreed, but the need for a Zope best practices guidelines (when to use what, and when _not_ to use it) is growing with every new language/method ;-) Rik

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Re: [Zope] ZWiki - how to dynamically add a page?
by Rik Hoekstra 25 May '00

25 May '00

>Dear Chris, > >Thanx a lot for your suggestion. Zwiki is indeed something very helpful to >me. >I've got a couple fo questions, though: > >1. How can I dynamically add a Zwiki page? >It says there: > > "To create a link to another wiki page, just write its name. (If you >don't use a WikiName, you must enclose > the name in square brackets). You edit the page, put in a WikiName (is a name with some uppercase and lower case characters like, um WikiName). That is all; it will show on the edited page with a question mark. > > If the page does not yet exist, a ? will be displayed - click it to >create the new page. This is how new wiki > pages are added." > >Where do I have to write the name?? There's a form field in the upper right >corner of a Zwiki Page header, but inserting a new name there doesn't work. > >2. How can I add dynamically ZWiki Pages to different folders in > >/Control_Panel / Products / ZWiki / zwiki_examples / folder??? What do you want to accomplish? Rik

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ZSQL Methods and Zope stopping
by John Chandler 25 May '00

25 May '00

A curious problem has just manifested itself. Pertinent technical stuff: Zope 2.1.6, Linux Red Hat 6.1, ZMySQLDA 1.1.3 I've just copied and pasted some methods (including some ZSQL methods) from a colleague's project folder to the folder for a new project, using the management intrface copy and paste facility. In the manage interface, clicking on a DTML method is fine, but when I click on a ZSQL method in the folder list to change the database connection (since the connection for the colleague's project won't exist), Zope quits silently, no log errors, no shutdown messages, no console output... John -- John Chandler / Software Developer / New Information Paradigms Ltd [ Linux in the office, AmigaOS in the home, PalmOS in the pocket ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The opinions above aren't those of my company... ...but then, they aren't really mine either.

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Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation
by Rik Hoekstra 25 May '00

25 May '00

-----Original Message----- From: Jerry Spicklemire <jerry(a)spicklemire.com> To: zdp(a)zope.org <zdp(a)zope.org> Date: donderdag 25 mei 2000 1:11 Subject: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation >(forwarded from Zope(a)Zope.org) > >Jason Cunliffe wrote: > >Perhaps you have a better crazier idea..I hope so:-) > >Maybe. I too have had problems with the ZDP stuff, but not specifically >those mentioned by others in this thread. When I try to use the ZDP I am >impressed by the effort and sheer volume of material, but unfortunately it >seems to be mostly supported by non-native English speakers. The result is >that I am often uncertain that I clearly understand what the author >intended. That leaves me in a state that is nearly worse that where I >began, potentially more knowledgable, but certainly more confused. Now, for >that crazy solution. > >If the ZDP were in some Wiki-ish form that could be edited by readers >("Edit This Page", a la Frontier?), a new version of a page could be >created to fix the most obvious misexpressions. The author might then be >able to review the updates, and either approve the fixes, or clarify cases >where a misfix has resulted from a misinterpretation, which itself is a >verifiable indication that the original text was somewhat obscure. After a >few passes through this process, the ZDP might be dressed up and ready to >go to press! > >In a case like the proposal above, anyone willing to do some copyediting >would be free to edit a paragraph at a sitting, if that's the all the time >available, or a page, or a chapter. Whatever works. I know I have been >reluctant to commit to any extensive participation simply because my time >is very limited. Still, as tight as the schedule is, it isn't quite in the >negative microseconds yet, so a graph per shift is better than nothing! > >With this in mind see the very recent post: > > http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2000-May/005021.html > >This is a way to manage Zope Objects, stuff that usually lives in ZODB, >using CVS. This can provide versioning, checkout, checkin, etc. It could be >used as a way to let ZDP Authors know what's changed, at a very granualr >level, to keep from having to wade through the page looking for somthing >that isn't precisely as it was last time they saw it. ZDP is itself a Zope >site, so this could be just the ticket. > Perhaps, but i think this is not necessary (though I liked the product idea). Should you become a member of the ZDP site, than Maik already created many such tools, including commenting, reviewing, discussing etcetera (and search possibilities for documentation that needs it). We badly need people for these tasks, though, and nobody has taken these tasks up yet. Mindlace just yet announced serious involvement by DC, but we never had input from them before (sorry to say so) Please take into account that at the moment the whole ZDP, including programming, writing documentation etc, takes the effort of far less than ten people, who work at it in their spare time. Or to put it differently: ZDP NEEDS CONTRIBUTORS, REVIEWERS, EDITORS, WRITERS Help us out and the whole Zope community will benefit. Rik

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Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation
by Rik Hoekstra 25 May '00

25 May '00

<snip> > > The ZDP has "only" got >> > the aim to point to existing stuff. Restructuring the existing docs >> > is not our job. >> >> Maybe it should be? How about rebuilding zope.org as a generic 'Zope >> Portal' with the building and documenting work being done more by the >> community? (ie: integrating ZDP and Zope.org) > >You got it. I think that the ZD portal and Zope.org should be >seamlessly integrated. More to the point, I have the authority to make >it happen on DC's end. I am *very* interested in integrating the >community's effort more completely into Zope.org. > Good. We (=zdp list) pleaded various times for an integration of ZDP and Zope documentation. >Furthermore, this *is* a major part of what I need to do with Zope.org. >It is, indeed, part of my Job Description: > >4. Use direct assistance, tight documentation integration, collaborative >tools and appropriate koans to provide a path to Zope Zen: a gentle >learning curve that takes participants from novice DTML work to hacking >zope internals > >So I *do* have time to help with this, and I don't imagine my employer >will give me flack :) > >I will admit that I am not exactly up to speed on who's doing what with >ZDP, Neither are we, and moreover everything there is in a flux. We called it comfortable anarchy when ZDP just started, and so it's stayed ever since. >nor am I trying to impose a vision. > >So what do you folks think? 1) I have pleaded before for ownership of several documentation efforts. We now have something called maintainers on the ZDP site (Maik overall maintenance, ZBook Tom Deprez I suppose, Kamon Ayeva - hm, something else, and me ZSnippets). Perhaps ownership is taking it to far, but a bit of coordination left and right and (taking initiatives for) setting priorities would do much good. So far, no one is inclined to take responsability for more than a part, though. 2) The ZDP Tools of Maik Roeder and the Subject/Topic hierarchy stuff by David Kankiewitz (if I spell his name right) are great stuff with a lot of potential, even if they may not appear consistently on the ZDP site right now (to say the least). There is some documentation available about them somewhere, but Maik may be able to answer questions better. my 2 cents Rik

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problems with NTUserFolder.
by Jay, Dylan 25 May '00

25 May '00

I can't seem to get your product to work the way I want. I'll tell you what I'm after and perhaps you can tell me where I'm going wrong or if indeed your product can do it at all. I have a group of users who are all part of the same domain as I am on. Its the department domain. I want to have these people recognized by my website seemlessly. I know this can be done with NT challenge response if you are using ie as your client. I want to do this in zope such that users who enter the site are automatically authenticated and appriate permissions for them set. These would be zope permission set inside zope, nothing to do with NT permissions. How do I do this?

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html-documents rendered incomplete
by Cornelis J. de Brabander 25 May '00

25 May '00

Since I upgraded from Zope 2.0.1 to 2.1.6 I have a problem with html-documents that are added as files. What happens is that the text in the last HTML-element is cut of somewhere in the middle. Checking the source of the document shows that after the point where the text is cut off all text and codes have disappeared. Does anybody have similar experiences and a clue as to what might cause this strange behavior? tia, cb

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ZWiki - how to dynamically add a page?
by Lena 25 May '00

25 May '00

Dear Chris, Thanx a lot for your suggestion. Zwiki is indeed something very helpful to me. I've got a couple fo questions, though: 1. How can I dynamically add a Zwiki page? It says there: "To create a link to another wiki page, just write its name. (If you don't use a WikiName, you must enclose the name in square brackets). If the page does not yet exist, a ? will be displayed - click it to create the new page. This is how new wiki pages are added." Where do I have to write the name?? There's a form field in the upper right corner of a Zwiki Page header, but inserting a new name there doesn't work. 2. How can I add dynamically ZWiki Pages to different folders in /Control_Panel / Products / ZWiki / zwiki_examples / folder??? Hoping to hear from you ASAP.. Lena

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Job Opportunity for Zope Developer 75K+, stock, San Francisco
by Doug Jackson 25 May '00

25 May '00

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Mailing Lists
by mindlace 25 May '00

25 May '00

Zopistas, There's a new mailing list: Zope-Web. This list will discuss what's happening with the zope family of websites (zope.org, zope.net, and zope.com) Currently only zope.org has content, but this may change in the future. If you want to see the zope websites do what they should, sign up! Also, I am extending an open offer to anyone who has a zope-related mailing list to have it hosted at zope.org. I would specifically like to see the zope-language mailing lists come to zope- zope-de, zope-pt, and it looks like we may add zope-it. You're under no obligation to do so, but the offer is there. Thanks, ethan mindlace fremen Zopista Community Liason

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