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FW: [Zope] This is completely bogus but..
by Coleman, Bryan 11 May '00

11 May '00

> Something which I have been tossing around in my head and am about to jump > into with both feet is a Zope like archetecture for distributing user > interfaces anywhere. Zope like functionality would be a sub set of the > project. Display could be within a browser or within X or under Windows > even. I would be extending the concetp of the user interface to include > just about any output/input. I am thinking of tying it in alot more > closely with XML as opposed to dtml or some simmiler construct. This would > allow for easy extention of the definition language ie if there were not > already a dtml-unless you could make one. If anyone is interested let me > know. I have a site registered at sourceforge but am still working on the > project plan. The primary development language will be python, but I want > it to be open so components can be written in any language and I am > considering forth for speed ups. ( I wonder if you could write a python > interpriter in forth, hmmm...) > > - Bryan Patrick Coleman > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Fletcher [SMTP:mfletch@tpresence.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:35 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: RE: [Zope] This is completely bogus but.. > > There is little in the way of indirection or encapsulation within Zope. > That is, most products reach directly into other products to find > classes/functions. When you reload a product, to properly reload, you will > need to reload every product which is dependent on that product. > Furthermore, you'll need to track down every class and instance reference > which uses the product's elements (which may be, for instance, stored in > some global registry of available classes (which might be built by a given > product), or might be in the object cache etc.) and rebuild/replace those > items. > > You could try clearing the object cache, scanning the global registries > for > potentially dependent instances or classes, then re-loading all products > (in > case some have global registries). I don't think this will be an enormous > amount better (time-wise) than restarting. Nothing is particularly > impossible, but the process is unlikely to be simple or straightforward > given the current architecture. > > You could try re-architecting Zope so that it uses more of a traditional > plug-in API, that is, some set of methods are registered/watched on an > object, all interaction between the object and the system goes through > that > API. Not sure about how you do stand-alone objects in that model, likely > have to simply rebuild all objects when a product is rebuilt. > > No simple solutions, but at least I'm not the one planning to work on it > :) > , > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: news-list.zope(a)innominate.de [mailto:news-list.zope@innominate.de] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 8:06 AM > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] This is completely bogus but.. > > > Chris Withers wrote: > > > > > This could be a good thing if we want to hotpatch a server of some > sort. > > > > > > -Morten > > > > There was a thread on this a while back but I don't think there was any > > conclusive outcome. > > > > I'd love so see Zope provide a facility for updating of products without > > restarting the server. It'd make python product development time a lot > > quicker and besides, restarting the server every time you rev a python > > product or two isn't really the sort of thing you want in a production > > system... > > > > To be honest, I don't really see why you should need to restart the > > server anyway... > > > > Comments? > > agree 100%. > -- > heiko.stoermer(a)innominate.de > innominate AG > networkingpeople > fon: +49.30.308806-0 fax: -77 web: http://innominate.de > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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variable
by josh on 11 May '00

11 May '00

Hello, I have a line of code which is meant to tkae an integer variable (vchildren) passed to the page through a hidden form. I have a line of code which goes: <dtml-var "_.chr(vchildren+97)"> and it returns an error message of which this is part: File C:\Program Files\ZopeJosh01\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 335, in eval (Object: _.chr(vchildren+97)) (Info: vchildren) File <string>, line 0, in ? TypeError: (see above) The value of the variable is 0 josh

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RE: [Zope] Dreamweaver UltraDev
by Jeffrey Shell 11 May '00

11 May '00

> From the news and the Macromedia site I find it dificult to judge if > it will be able to extend Dreamweaver UltraDev to work with Zope. I > guess the solution will still use ftp as access method wich is not > the correct way to work with Zope. > > I guess it needs WebDav and if even if that were there, there would > probably be problems in working with Zope. FWIW, Adobe GoLive 5.0 (due out in June, I believe) will support WebDAV. It's also supposed to be more extendable, ala Dreamweaver. Over the past couple of years, I've usually found myself having to use both tools for various tasks. :/

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RE: [Zope] This is completely bogus but..
by Mike Fletcher 11 May '00

11 May '00

There is little in the way of indirection or encapsulation within Zope. That is, most products reach directly into other products to find classes/functions. When you reload a product, to properly reload, you will need to reload every product which is dependent on that product. Furthermore, you'll need to track down every class and instance reference which uses the product's elements (which may be, for instance, stored in some global registry of available classes (which might be built by a given product), or might be in the object cache etc.) and rebuild/replace those items. You could try clearing the object cache, scanning the global registries for potentially dependent instances or classes, then re-loading all products (in case some have global registries). I don't think this will be an enormous amount better (time-wise) than restarting. Nothing is particularly impossible, but the process is unlikely to be simple or straightforward given the current architecture. You could try re-architecting Zope so that it uses more of a traditional plug-in API, that is, some set of methods are registered/watched on an object, all interaction between the object and the system goes through that API. Not sure about how you do stand-alone objects in that model, likely have to simply rebuild all objects when a product is rebuilt. No simple solutions, but at least I'm not the one planning to work on it :) , Mike -----Original Message----- From: news-list.zope(a)innominate.de [mailto:news-list.zope@innominate.de] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 8:06 AM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] This is completely bogus but.. Chris Withers wrote: > > > This could be a good thing if we want to hotpatch a server of some sort. > > > > -Morten > > There was a thread on this a while back but I don't think there was any > conclusive outcome. > > I'd love so see Zope provide a facility for updating of products without > restarting the server. It'd make python product development time a lot > quicker and besides, restarting the server every time you rev a python > product or two isn't really the sort of thing you want in a production > system... > > To be honest, I don't really see why you should need to restart the > server anyway... > > Comments? agree 100%. -- heiko.stoermer(a)innominate.de innominate AG networkingpeople fon: +49.30.308806-0 fax: -77 web: http://innominate.de _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Re: SSL and ProxyPass
by anser 11 May '00

11 May '00

Ragnar Beer <rbeer(a)uni-goettingen.de> wrote: > >Using Apache's ProxyPass with ZServer seems much easier than > the CGI modal. > >Is there any reason not to use this? > >http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver > > I haven't found anything in the HowTo that says how one would deal > with SSL so I _guess_ it's not possible. Is that true? With Apache, it is more usually the case that unless someone specifically says something is NOT possible, there is a way to do it. :) ProxyPass creates a complete separate TCP connection on the backside. Assuming you want to use an SSL connection between the users and your Apache front end, and a non-SSL connection between the Apache proxy and your Zope back server, Apache does this easily. Just make sure Apache is built with SSL support, and add the SSLEngine, SSLCertificateFile, and SSLCertificateKeyFile directives to the overall config or VirtualHost section.

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Re: [Zope] HELP: External methods as methods of objects...
by M. Papillon 11 May '00

11 May '00

It's got a docstring, which is why this is weird... Sorry, I should have mentioned that. >"M. Papillon" wrote: >> >> However, as far as I can tell this only works for files and folders; if I >> try it on a DTML Document I get a missing docstring error. > >There's your key. > >You need to add a Python docstring. For example:

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RE: [Zope] ZODB replication on a per-object basis?
by RC Compaan 11 May '00

11 May '00

Interbase does replication. I haven't really figured out how it will work with Zope and one will have to store Zope objects in Interbase for proper replication. It may be worth investigating. Roché Compaan > From: "Brad Clements" <bkc(a)murkworks.com> > Organization: MurkWorks, Incorporated. > To: zope(a)zope.org > Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:14:24 -0500 > Subject: [Zope] ZODB replication on a per-object basis? > Reply-to: bkc(a)murkworks.com > > I have a project in mind where I'd like to have 2 or more Zope > installations selectively replicate other Zope server's objects > (a sub-set > of objects). > > I've looked at the write-up for ZEO, and that doesn't really seem > to fit the > bill. > > Imagine a master Zope site running some application, perhaps > ZDiscussions, Wiki or Confera (just an example). Suppose that dial-up > users want to sync their copies with the master server on a periodic > basis, but not sync the entire zope site. (say, a list of folders and > subfolders, and meta types). > > Now suppose that these client-copies also have data to contribute, that > needs to be sync'd back to the master. Disregard the issue of two > clients changing the same object.. I'm thinking about general replication > of a subset of objects in folders from one system to another... > > The Coda file system has a disconnected mode.. If I had a Code-FS > implementation, this might work except that I'd be missing meta info. > > Has anyone thought about this problem? > > I also need to tackle the same issue for database replication.. > Replicating changed rows between systems to keep them in sync. > That's another story. > > Thoughts? > > > > Brad Clements, bkc(a)murkworks.com (315)268-1000 > http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax > netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements >

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heirarchical diretcory based on zcatalog
by Jonathan Cheyne 11 May '00

11 May '00

Hi all. Bin rooting around trying to find something and can't so I thought i'd ask here - see if it's been done already. I like the idea of the ZTopics in the PTK but would like the Topic to generate subtopics automatically from other keywords found in all catalogued objects containing the parent keyword. So, for eg, if the parent was 'drugs' and there was an object with the keywords 'drugs' and 'abuse' then there would be a subtopic of 'abuse' automatically listed somewhere on the page. This would be a link to the same page only now the parent is both drugs AND abuse and will display any further categories. This way there will never be 'empty' categories and no need to add them manually if a new category is inadvertently added (when creating a document). Does this make sense? Should I be talking to the PTK list? My problem is simple that I cannot get my head round the dtml required to do this and cannot seem to find an example to crib from ... Any help here? Here is my logic: The user types a word into a field and hits enter - this become the parent word. 1. Find a document in the catalog with keyword = parent and type = definition and render its index_html. (I can do this bit) 2. Find in the catalog all documents with keyword = parent and produce an unique values list of all other keywords. 3. display in various 'slashboxes' all items with the keyword = parent. Ie a box with links to news anothe woth links to events etc. This way there will be an over all view of the word with the option to 'drill down' reducing the number of displayed links each time (because they now are filtered on both words. Homelessness is a very broad field - the list of poteential subtopics generated in a user-contributed site would be extensive so I am trying to create a quasi-knowledge management interface without to many limits. Advice and flames gratefully received Jonathan Cheyne IS Manager National Homeless Alliance London

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Multilingual sites
by Adrian Esteban Madrid 11 May '00

11 May '00

Has anybody build (succesfully) a site with multiple languages (v.e. English, Japanese, Russian, etc.)? I need to build such a site where the visitor can select the language and everything chnges. I'm guessing I'll be needing to have different versions of each document in each language and switch versions depending on the session ID and so on. Any ideas will be apreciated. Adrian

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Renderable Base ZClass
by Brown Fox 11 May '00

11 May '00

Hello, it's not clear to me how the Renderable Base ZClass product is working. I've created a Zclass image with the renderable base property selected. If i put in it an index_html file i can see all the properties but not anymore the image, why? Thanks, Bruno ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it

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